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Tom Cruise and Scientology

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by Rover977, Feb 1, 2008.

  1. Rover977

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    Has anybody watched the Tom Cruise video about scientology :-

    http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

    I found this quite an eye-opener, and made me look up some more info on scientology. It seems a very strange belief system indeed, though if it helps people in some way, i've no problem with it.

    Could we all be 'thetans' ?

    :eek:
     
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  2. greenbrucelee
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    yeah we are all inhabited by aliens who escaped a tyrannical alien warlord and they waited in the earth till the birth of man :D

    Now I have no problem with people believing that if they want as long as they don't make me out to be someone is bad because I don't belive it. But there are some far fetched stories to do with religions like the book of mormon in case you don't know here it is

    A guy called Joseph smith said he was visited by an angel 'moroni' who said that there were some golden plates with the book of mormon on it, he was alowed to translate the plates but couldn't show anyone. Once he had translated the plates he took them to a writer called Martin Harris (i believe) who lost them but Harris had showed the plates to other people.

    So he asked Smith to translate the plates again, but they were different, Smith got around this by saying he wasn't alowed to translate those plates again and he had to translate a new set (are you seeing a picture here) and everyone belived his story.

    Oh yeah and apparently native Americans were the decendants of white Jews :blink:blink:blink:blink

    Now thats only a part of it, but doesn't it seem a bit made up?
     
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    I think this page is a useful addition to anybody looking into 'Scientology'.

    Harry.
     
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    The thing I've always felt is that the guy was a science fiction author and scientology sounds like one big science fiction story that some people want to believe.

    I've read about him saying the easiest way to make money was to start a religion, the other thing I find interesting is how you have to pay to join this religion and then pay repeatedly to go up in to other levels (From what I've heard) now if you wanted to spread a religion and get everyone to join wouldn't it be easier to spread the word rather than keep it secret till people stump up the readies?

    to me its and even bigger scam than the mormons
     
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    Better yet, has anyone seen the parody video by Jerry O'Connell? He does a spot-on imitation of Cruise! Absolutely classic.

    Can't grab you a link for it while I'm here at work... no telling where I'd end up! :ohmy
     
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    L Ron Hubbard was a notoriously bad science fiction writer but he may have been clever on some level. I have always suspected that he made up Scientology just to demonstrate how gullible people really are and that in fact, he didn't believe a word of it himself.
     
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    Yeah, but the mormons have 7 wives.
     
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    Now that would feel like hell on earth, lol
     
  10. Rover977

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    Ha ha ! The parody video by Jerry O’Connell was hysterical, a must-watch after seeing the original – a great imitation of that scary laughter.

    GBL – I heard all about Joseph Smith and Gordon B Hinkley when mormons visited my home a few years back – not an entirely convincing story about those plates I know. I recall them using quite pushy techniques like asking repeatedly ‘Have you asked God?’, which reminded me of a salesman asking ‘Would you like to save money on your gas bill?’. You kind of feel obliged to answer ‘Yes’, after all who could know better than ‘God’ himself (having created the entire universe). And then on to the next question …

    Interested to read about Hubbard saying ‘If you want to get rich, you start a religion’ – sounds like he did just that, with the likes of Tom Cruise and John Travolta on his client list.

     
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    They won't come round my house because they know, I'll say things like do you really expect me to believe some guy translated some plates from the original testement of god and another guy kept a record but said he had lost them, so the the first guy changed his story and added that he was told another testement because the first one was redundant.

    or is it really some bloke made up a bunch of crap when he couldn't remember what he said he changed his story and then put on the south park episode about the mormon which is really funny.
     
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    I couldn't agree with you more! :eyecrazy
     
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    There have been reports that Tom Cruise is second in command in the church of Scientology.
     
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    If he every runs for president I will know that the end of time is coming!
     
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    Funny...I always feel that way during a Presidential election year. :wink:
     
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    Whilst reading up on Scientology on Wikipedia I came across a theory of learning and education, invented by Hubbard, called 'Study Technology'. This theory is promoted by the Church of Scientology affiliated organisation 'Applied Scholastics' whose declared mission is to help 'people in all walks of life who need improved study skills' - fairly applicable to those of us pursuing IT careers and certifications.

    This 'Study Tech' system of Hubbard's defines three BARRIERS to study, and I quote from the Wikipedia article :-

    • "Misunderstood words" are words not understood by the student. According to Hubbard, "The only reason a person gives up a study or becomes confused or unable to learn is because he has gone past a word that was not understood." This concept is so important to study technology that the preceding sentence occurs in the beginning of nearly every book published by the Church of Scientology. To remedy this, students are taught to use dictionaries extensively.
    • The idea of "Gradients" is taken from the idea of a gentle slope compared to a steep one. Just as one should not attempt algebra until one has mastered arithmetic, Hubbard claims that students should not go on to a more advanced subject until the preceding one is mastered.
    • "An absence of mass" means actual, physical universe mass. A rock has a lot of mass while a feather has a little mass. "An absence of mass is hard on a student," Hubbard said. He once used the example of a student learning arithmetic and suggested giving the student some apples to use so the student could demonstrate the idea of addition for himself.
    Seems like some sound advice to me (though no doubt there will be those who say 'oh, this is all very simplistic' etc etc).

    I recall doing Shakespeare at school, and thinking how can I appreciate this if I don't know what half the words mean? I mean its that simple sometimes!

    I think with all religions there is something you can learn from them, even though they use some quite unscrupulous tactics. After all, anybody whose studied history will know that even the 'official' churches are not exactly perfect.
     
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