Server setup questions

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  1. Sparky
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    You dont need one if you want to host website on the SBS. The server doesnt have two of everything (only one mobo) but it should have a high levelof fault tolerance. 8)
     
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    Hi Guys

    I very much appreciate all the help here but its seems im getting different info. See quote above.

    As this company is selling products online id say it was pretty critical that the server is online as much as possible. So this takes me back to my original question. Am i better with 1 server or 2?
     
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    You wont be able to load balance the website over two servers if one of them is gonna run SBS and therefore host your domain and email.
     
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    So can i do this with 2 servers running 2003 std edition?
     
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    OK guys Im torn between 1 server with as much redundancy as possible or 2 servers load balanced. Although my knowledge of load balancing is limited with regards to dhcp, backups etc and if the hardware has to be identical or not.
     
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    Ok, go for two servers. One will have SBS installed and take care of the domain,email etc and the other can host your website. You could go for Windows 2003 web edition to cut costs.
     
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    So NLB is possible between different versions of server 2003 esecially between SBS and Web edition? If the SBS fails can the web edition take over? And what is the best HDD / RAID / Backup plan here?

    Sorry, i must be doing your nut in now
     
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    No, NLB is only available on the enerprise version of Windows 2003.

    Go for two servers (decent spec) but dont worry about splitting roles over two servers. For the network you are installing it is unlikely that kinda setup would be installed (due to cost).

    Server 1 = SBS
    Server 2 = Webserver

    That should get you top marks! :biggrin
     
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    My mistake, just clustering is available on Enterprise. Not sure if you can NLB a SBS and a Windows 2003 web server though. They may have to be the same OS.
     
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    Datarunner, unfortunately you're only getting advice from one person along with my two penneth

    IMHO It'd be good if you could get points of view from others as to what they would do too and weigh up all the pro's and cons before deciding

    We each have our own perspective and in my line of work redundancy is of upmost importance, any down time soon starts costing us money and scrimping an a server is shortsighted

    I've learned to expect the unexpected and take even the most unlikeliest event into consideration

    Too many companies rely wholly on their IT yet give Business continuity very little thought until it's too late

    Does anyone else have any suggestions as to the way he should go?
     
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    So im thinking 2 servers running std / SBS edition (same on each), NLBed. Just the backup to deal with now. Is there a way i can back them up and restore them independantly on 1 device?

    Thanks for your time, patience and info on this
     
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    Sorry m8 didnt realise you had replied there. Yeah i hear what you are saying and value your opinion / advice as much as anyone elses.

    Im new to this so im the guy asking yous for help
     
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    Spec one server with a tape drive and you can backup both servers to one tape each day (just as an example), say Mon to Fri.

    If you purchase Veritas\Symantec Backup Exec you can install remote agents on many servers and back them up to one tape device.
     
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    I think the reason not many people are pitching in, is that the advice being given thus far is sound and solid, especially given your allotted budget.

    Clearly there are other ways of achieving your goal but the limited budget precludes them :wink:

    Pete another SBS fan 8)
     
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    I install networks like this day in day out. There are a few flaws in the original question that datarunner has been given.
    For a start if the website requires NLB as it is important to keep it online then there should be a leased line as well for connectivity. This infrastructure alone is big ££££ and I would suspect a company with only 12 employees does not have that amount of cash for their IT infrastructure.

    Therefore *in the real world* if I had to recommend a solution I would go for.

    *Outsource the web hosting to a web hosting company and take advantage of their data centre and high speed connection.

    *Install SBS standard or premium (depending if they want to run a separate firewall) and purchase a business internet connection package offering at least one static I.P address. Purchase AV and backup software as required to finish the server install. For the client PCs buy 12 PCs from Dell (or whoever you prefer) and add Office 2003 or 2007 to the order.

    3 days to install the lot and get the support contract signed, easy! :biggrin
     
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    OK we can draw this to a close. I must say that the advice here has been speedy and fantastic. Talk about a crash course in small business network / server installation. Ive certainly learned a lot.

    The project is probably designed to be flawed to test ability, competence etc within a high uptime / low budget environment.

    Anyway the project requires us to document atleast 2 types of approach and compare them. So I am going to propose and document both the single server with high spec / redundancy as well as the 2 server NLB approaches.

    Then its up to what me and 3 other team members decide.

    Once again I cant thank the people enough who contributed to this.

    Cheers.
     
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  18. Gary B

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    Just to say my comment about getting varied views wasn't aimed as a dig at your advice, just that depending what angle you look at it from then you could come up with a different point of view and the more the merrier.

    BTW - I'd go for your last option of web hosting and SBS too :D
     
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    No probs mate, I was waiting for someone to post a full Linux solution as an alternative! :biggrin
     
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    ROFLMAO :D
     
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