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Manager or Techie? What direction would you like to take?

Discussion in 'Polling Station' started by jk2447, Oct 15, 2009.

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Manager or Techie? What direction would you like to take?

Poll closed Oct 22, 2009.
  1. Management

    7 vote(s)
    30.4%
  2. Technical

    11 vote(s)
    47.8%
  3. Undecided

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  1. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    Eventually, at some point in the future, would you like to take the management route or stay technical?

    There's a lot of money in management but personally right now I'm too much of a nerd to go down the management route, and if I can get away with it, I'd prefer to stay technical and get my hands dirty.

    I've been a Team Leader for 8 years now and love that so I want to try and always have a team but I don't fancy being a line manager because to me, you start to loose touch with "how things are done" and concentrate more on "are they getting done" which isn't for me where I'm at now. If anything I want to get even more technical! Some Technical people I've met can earn a lot more than the people managing them 8)

    How about you?

    ** Edit: Sorry should of said this thrad assumes you already work in IT and are currently not a line manager. . . . . .unless you are a manager wanting to drop back down?
     
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  2. Gingerdave

    Gingerdave Megabyte Poster

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    I don't know - I am so far from both at the moment that I can't decide.
     
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  3. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I'm sure you are a proficient Techie 8)

    Oh and another reason I want to stay technical is I prefer to spend the budget rather than review it :p
     
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  4. wagnerk
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    I don't know.. Some days I'd like to focus on/develope my career more on the strategic side (eg implementing ITIL/FITS properly, creating vision statements and 3-5 year plans, etc), other days I want to continue down the technical route (eg learning and implementing new skills like SQL 2008 which we have to mirgrate to, working more with virtualisation/servers/new technology). Hence why I'm doing both technical and management quals, not just because to fulfil my current job role but to answer this question :)

    -Ken
     
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  5. GiddyG

    GiddyG Terabyte Poster Gold Member

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    I've done both, and I much prefer hands-on technical, looking after myself as opposed to looking after others. It is far more interesting.
     
  6. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    If anyone is undecided I think its a great idea to get a well rounded skill set. I know a few techies who have the ITIL Change managers cert (or backup as they call it ha ha)
     
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  7. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I love leading a Team but when you have your own problems, and everyone elses, it can get a bit much at times. Still its nice getting paid more for the book to stop with me :biggrin
     
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  8. Arroryn
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    Arroryn we're all dooooooomed

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    Now this should be an interesting thread :)

    I myself am still undecided.

    Whilst I do like the techy side of things, I also like the service management side of things that would lend itself more to a managerial role.

    My manager has made the hints at me, that she thinks I can do the job. (eg - in appraisal - "where do you see yourself in 5 years time? My job? Good that's what I see too" - without my input in the conversation! lol).

    But I see the amount of work that a manager (well, my manager has to do, the amount of flack and stress they divert away from the department, and plus I don't think the pay is really that corking either...

    ...

    I'll pass, and hope against blind hope I finish my novel some time soon and can lend being an insomniac to some other career! :biggrin
     
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  9. dazza786

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    I didnt realise they were mutually exclusive..

    Think of it.. giving your team all of the boring\tedius stuff to do, and you do all the fun\technical stuff :twisted:
     
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  10. BosonMichael
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    Both... and neither. 8)
     
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  11. Arroryn
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    Arroryn we're all dooooooomed

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    Nah nah nah, MY boss is a techy manager, and I've never known a busier person in my life!!
     
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  12. Arroryn
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    Arroryn we're all dooooooomed

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    Of course, I assume we're all taking the definition of 'manager' to be one who is managing a team of people exclusively?

    I mean, as Dazza pointed out (though possibly not from this viewpoint) the two are not mutually exclusive.

    In larger companies, a systems administrator for example, who is a tech by definition, would probably be expected to co-ordinate lower-line techs in their job roles.

    I am expected to co-ordinate the helpdesk for example, which does incoroprate soft-skill management into my day-to-day role. Much to my self-esteemless bottomless hole of chagrin. :dry
     
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  13. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    Sorry yes you are right, I'm talking about a manager who does just that and doesn't do "the day job" so to speak, just manages 1 or more staff :biggrin
     
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  14. GiddyG

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    Couldn't have put it better myself...

    I've been in management for years now, and to be brutally honest, you are the jam in the sandwich between the senior people who want to know why something hasn't been done, and the people who are expected to do it. Often, the people expected to do it are so damn busy that you can't ask them to do it... so, you end up doing it, your job and loads of other things yourself... I thought I worked long hours as a techie, but I tell you what... I work even longer hours now, when others have gone home, I'm still there, online, typing away, just to tread water. :rolleyes:

    Other people will have different views however...
     
  15. GiddyG

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    I think it depends how long you're doing it for... more pay is one thing, but wrecking health and family life is another. That's not a dig at you by the way, it's a jibe at myself.

    If you do it, you have to have great self-discipline so that you do not get bogged down emotionally with other peoples issues, and so that you can take that step back from people who may be friends/friendly and not let those friendships be taken for granted when you have a need to make unwelcome decisions.
     
  16. Phoenix
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    getting paid more as a manager?
    I'm not sure any of my managers at the last three jobs have got paid more than me

    same goes for most decent tech companies
    the hierarchys work a bit differently, your staff ARE your differentiators
     
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  17. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    Thats OK mate because my family life has taken a knock this year and I've probably come across as stressed at times on this forum. I kinda offload a lot onto here, certainly more than I would offline :rolleyes:

    This years been a killer for me with so much study, new baby, new job and new team have meant I haven't had much time. I'm lucky to get a new team because I learned a lot from my last bunch and feel compfortable taking a step back. I failed an exam today and I was more gutted because it means I've got more study ahead . . . .
     
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  18. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    It hasn't worked like that at IBM or ATOS. . . . so good on you mate
     
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  19. Sparky
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    Sounds like me mate, I’m just finishing up work just now (working remotely).

    In regard to the poll I dunno what direction I want to go in, Ive managed teams of techs and still help out to this day when there are problems. I take on too much though and I need to change that going forward so that I can progress. 8)
     
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  20. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    You are obviously a hard worker Sparky. Do you work for a company or are you a contractor? (hope you don't mind me asking)
     
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