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job hopping and career expectations

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by newuser22, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. newuser22

    newuser22 New Member

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    Hi

    I have been in IT for over 3 years now. started my career in dec 2007.

    My roles were:

    1st job (desktop support) 20 mths -> left for better job
    2nd job (desktop / server) 6 mths -> redundancy
    3rd job (helpdesk) 12 mths -> current role, wanting to move on as low pay and step backwards in career terms.

    does it look like i am job hoping? I took my current role out of desperation as I had nothing else. I was out of work for 3 weeks between my 2nd and 3rd job.

    also what would be a good role to move towards? and how long should I stay in my next potential role?

    thanks,

    Benny,
     
  2. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    Hi Benny, ordinarily I'd say yes it does look like you get itchy feet too often but in the current climate I think that is easily explained. Its a hard market and employers are taking full advantage getting 3rd line in 2nd line roles for 2nd line money, 2nd in 1st etc.

    Ideally the best thing you could do is progress up the ranks in your current company, isn't that possible?
     
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  3. BosonMichael
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    It can make you look like a job hopper, but everyone's perception will be different. I job hopped a bit more often than you did, and it almost cost me a position later down the line. That said, smart, motivated techs don't usually stay in lower-level positions for very long, so some employers will understand a bit of hopping early in a career. Some won't. You simply have to weigh the risks versus the rewards.
     
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  4. fatp

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    similar story to a post on mcseworld thread.
     
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  5. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    Sorry you've lost me. He's posted this on another site too do you mean?
     
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  6. craigie

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    Mate, if you are unhappy in your current role, apply for jobs and see what happens.
     
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  7. fatp

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    the rates being droped. 3rd line getting 2nd line salaries, and 2nd line getting 1st line salaries.
     
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  8. antidripman

    antidripman Banned

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    Loyalty is for dogs. You should only stay in a job till you have nothing further to learn or no chance to move forward.
    Being that your that low no ones cares about anything other than what you know and what you can do.
    I recommend staying in a job for 1 year in general. My jobs look like this.


    5 years Noc tech 55k no certs
    10 months network engineer 65k ccna
    3 months network engineer 75k Jncia
    new job starting in 2 weeks network engineer 87k CCNP

    Again no on cared how long i was anywhere just what i know and what i can do. The higher you go the less they like if you move around but that's when you get get the largest increases in pay. If i didn't jump around i wouldn't have as much experience on different systems or got the pay increases i have.
    I recommend getting your CCNA it changed my life. In less than 2 years i have doubled my pay almost.
     
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  9. craigie

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    Not experienced that personally, have increased my wages by 50% in the last 18 months and had a couple of promotions.
     
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  10. antidripman

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    Staying in the same company and moving forward is always the best move if you can get it. But its not something i recommend in general. The better and larger the company the more you should look around for opportunity's prior to leaving. Thats why i had 5 years at wow i moved up from dispatcher to Noc department.
    I just wasn't given the chance to move to network engineering because i ran the noc alone overnight and wouldn't let me go :(
     
  11. jk2447

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    Wow another superstar, at this rate you'll be on your 10th job on 80 hundred million grand by Christmas like one of our other banned posters. To be perfectly honest with you I would gratify your post with a serious post of my own on the benefits of having at least some loyalty but for the small fact I think you are a complete idiot who's telling fibs.
     
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    You have done brilliantly mate, we expect nothing less. When I said 3rd 2nd 1st etc I meant the way more and more job adverts are asking for MCSE's on 1st line :S How they expect someone doing first line work to get experienced enough to pass all of the MCSE exams I don't know :S
     
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  13. antidripman

    antidripman Banned

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    Having loyalty in of it self doesn't mean anything and in general can be a bad thing.

    The only things important to me.
    How much they are willing to pay for your services
    How much you can learn
    If they will pay for classes to help your education.

    Loyalty doesn't pay bills isn't a cert you can study for nor buys routers books or training classes.

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    Not experienced that personally, have increased my wages by 50% in the last 18 months and had a couple of promotions.

    On the other side i waited 5 years to get to network engineer and it wasn't till i left the best job and people i ever met i was able to fulfill my dreams. But i wish i could have.
     
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  14. jk2447

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    Wow you're a great catch aren't you eh. Do you apply these pearls of wisdom to your private life also? I realise you are trying to get a reaction, but sadly you aren't going to get much of one, sorry but enjoy your evening all the same. Again I won't counter your comments because they are moronic
     
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  15. antidripman

    antidripman Banned

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    Whats funny is its not me trolling its you guys. I didn't say anything i don't believe or isnt 100% true.

    Wow you're a great catch aren't you eh. Do you apply these pearls of wisdom to your private life also? I realise you are trying to get a reaction, but sadly you aren't going to get much of one, sorry but enjoy your evening all the same. Again I won't counter your comments because they are moronic

    Wow another superstar, at this rate you'll be on your 10th job on 80 hundred million grand by Christmas like one of our other banned posters. To be perfectly honest with you I would gratify your post with a serious post of my own on the benefits of having at least some loyalty but for the small fact I think you are a complete idiot who's telling fibs.

    I understand that your jealous for whatever reason but your trolling and its not helping anyone. Keep your posts on topic or dont post.

    I looked through many of your posts and you don't really help anyone. You just troll people and spit useless garbage for your own amusement.
     
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  16. free.heron

    free.heron Nibble Poster

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    Can you guys stop having a flame war with each other? It's pretty annoying and you are going off tangent to newuser22 post. I know its cold but you don't have to act like the grinch :x
     
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  17. SimonD

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    I have to ask, are you UK or US based? are those rates £ $ or €??
     
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    ha ha ha ha that honestly tickled me, thanks. Some rep you've got there Mr Helpful, I'm jealous......
     
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  19. antidripman

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    I dont troll just wanted to give some life experience. This guy always shows up and hates on me.
     
  20. free.heron

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    argh. I'm going to bed. Goodnight.
     
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