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Is this just a scam ? Job guarantees / training

Discussion in 'Training & Development' started by Flamehearted, Apr 14, 2005.

  1. Flamehearted

    Flamehearted Nibble Poster

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    Hiya all,

    What do you think of this ?

    I have made an appointment to see a company called JTC London tomorrow who are based in Oxford Street.

    They say in 40 days they will train you as a systems engineer and then guarantee a job at 25K

    The qualifications this course covers are A+, MCSA 2003, MCSE 2003, MCDBA and Security

    They charge £7000 pounds for this and of course I'm really worried about giving them my money without knowing what is going on ! :rolleyes:

    They are a microsoft gold partner, a registered vue training centre and cisco systems partner.

    What do you think of all this ? I'm wondering how they can gurantee a job at that level. I have no experience in this field - I am teacher who has some basic web design experience, but a very strong aptitude for IT.

    Help.............thanks ! :biggrin
     
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  2. Jakamoko
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    "If it sound is sounds to good to be true, then it probably is" Probably one of the oldest adages in the book.

    To achieve that in 40 days from scratch then walk into a £25k number ? Ask them for a bucket for the salt you'll be taking !!!!!

    Wild claim if you ask me - or you may just want to call me cynical ...:hhhmmm
     
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  3. punkboy101
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    punkboy101 Back from the wilderness

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    I'm with Jak on this one, take that "guarantee" with all the salt in the sea. I can't see how it is possible myself. Ask them how the guarantee works, and what happens if it doesn't, then get it in writting with the bosses signature lol

    With no experience, that seems very unlikely. Be very careful what you sign. Make sure that you ask lot's of questions, and are completly happy with what they are offering. Seems to be alot of companies making the same claim, with no or little evidence that they follow through. Don't let them push you into it, or blind you with £££ signs.

    HTH

    Andy
     
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  4. Mitzs
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    Mitzs Ducktape Goddess

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    Oh hun, take that 7000 and set up your own lab buy the books you need and do it yourself. There is no way they can teach you all those courses in 45 days and retain the knowledge in your mind unless you are one of those people that never forgets anything. Invest in yourself not in someone after your hard earn money.
     
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  5. Jakamoko
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    Just done a quick bit of Googling on this, and unless I'm mistaken, then they ain't exactly massive in web presence (I will stand corrected if proven wrong, however)

    Best I could find was an event at which they were having a stall to promote their vendor accredited courses (says they're MS courses)

    I'm not sniping here in any way, and like I say, I may be wrong, but I sure as sh1t wouldn't bank £7 large on it.
     
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  6. AJ

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    Is that the local farmer muck spreading or the smell of a 4 legged male beef stock.

    load of C**P m8. keep your wonga and do what the others say and invest in some good books, a decent pc and test lab. Or of course look into other training providers that have been mentioned here.
     
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  7. Mitzs
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  8. Flamehearted

    Flamehearted Nibble Poster

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    Thanks everyone - they do show up as a partner - under James Thornton Limited.

    I think I might try and do an A+ by myself - I'm looking at the Meyers book.

    I tend to learn things well by myself.

    This board is very helpful !

    :D
     
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  9. AJ

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    nope couldn't find them :x
     
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  10. Flamehearted

    Flamehearted Nibble Poster

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  11. AJ

    AJ Administrator Administrator

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    Ahh yes m8 same link I think but with the M$ borders around

    LINK
     
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  12. Mitzs
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    Mitzs Ducktape Goddess

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    That is a very good book! IMHO the best in the field. Although I don't like him for his network book. Just remeber your not alone. The techs here are excellent and know their stuff so don't be afraid to ask questions and do you have a computer you can mess with. I would recommend getting a spare one that way you can blow it up and rebuild again. A+ can be so much fun. :biggrin
     
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  13. Jakamoko
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    You might call us Brits (whole separate argument) somewhat literal in our interpretation of things at times, but I'm fairly sure that that is not a core requirement of the A+ exam objectives !!!! :blink

    j/k :biggrin
     
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  14. Flamehearted

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    Hehe

    Thanks everyone

    Should I put that on my CV if I suceed then ?

    "I have an A+ cert and I now can blowt hings up very successfully" :eek:

    lol

    So is the A+ very hands on then ? You have to know how to make a PC / soldering etc ?
     
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  15. strangeupquark

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    I can smell the Bovine Shisen from Belfast, and its rather rank. :dry

    Personally I'd keep the 7 large, and take it somewhat slower.

    Having read the various threads on the forum here, and talked to a friend who has been on the CompTIA A+ course, I'm gonna self-study it myself. So far I have ordered the CompTIA A+ Study Guide and Mike Meyers book, $90 US well spent. After the A+ I'll be self-studying the i-Net+, then the Security+ and the Network+, before self-studying the MCDST certification.

    As to the job and level of pay they guarantee..... yeah, and monkies will fly out of my arse. Corrently I have an application in for a Desktop and Clerical Support Technicians position with the Bank of Ireland IT dept, pay will be prolly in the region of £13,500 pa.

    Bottom line, you gotta start at the bottom and pay your dues before becomming a systems admin/network admin.
     
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  16. Mitzs
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    The hardware side is hands on. You want to make sure you know the right connection and stuff to the mb. Some people can read stuff and soak it in. I do better if I can touch stuff. Everthing just sorta clicks into place for me then. I liked disconnecting them things one at a time to see what the comp does when you boot it up. I"m just wierd that way. To each their own you know?
     
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  17. Jakamoko
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    Hands on - yes, soldering, unlikely given modern PC architecture.

    Check the A+ exam objectives, learn them thoroughly, and if you can, rip a PC apart and rebuild it (what Mitzs meant in the first place)

    If you actually know what the components are, and are used to working with them, it will help no end with not only the exam, but in your IT development from now on. There are things you'll learn from the A+ that you'll use till your last day in the IT industry.

    HTH:)

    EDIT: ... or what Mitzs said :oops:
     
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  18. Phoenix
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    One thing to take note on, and this goes for all members
    if your not just getting into this profession for the 'apparant' promise of riches
    do you really WANT to become qualified in 40 days with 5 certifications? do you think you will of benefited and retained 90% of that material 2 weeks on from the exam? as a professional, I wouldnt, and couldnt claim to be proficient in something if I didnt feel totally confident that I was actually proficient in it, qualification or not

    although claiming an MCSA, MCSE, MCDBA and Security is a bit sneaky, as with the right electives they are pretty much one and the same! 40 days is still way to fast, your looking at close to a month self study for each exam (and for those quals your looking at almost 11 total) and thats just what I estimated for myself, and i've been doing this a while!

    Remeber your pride people, there are plenty of people out thier who have the paper, but cant do the job, dont become one of them, take your time, enjoy your study, and most of all, let it sink in a little :)
     
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  19. Fergal1982

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    i had an agency try to sell me something similar - its about a heap of courses in about 3 months (although i had to live in london for the time i was there), and a garauntee of a job in the industry within six months or my fees back. they tried to get me to come down the next week, and when i told them that i was moving and couldnt, they tried to schedule it a month or so in advance, when i said id rather not and would rather that they email all the details for the time being and i would get back to them (bearing in mind my cv had the email ad printed on it and thats what i had sent them) i heard nothing back!

    I wasnt gonna do it anyway, but that just confirmed my suspicions!

    Fergal
     
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  20. Jonesos

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    Flamehearted,
    Yeah, thats sounds like a brave boast if you ask me. As an IT Manager there is no way I would hire someone with all those qualifications and no experience. The best you would hope for is an entry level job paying about 18-20k (and that is for banks and trading houses).
    I would take that £7000 and get books, cbt nuggets, a lab and play around yourself. You wont really learn anything in 40 days, you may pass the exams but it will basically be learn and then dump and so on. Maybe even go round and ask some companies for part-time jobs where you will work for free in exchange for some experience. This shows initiative and desire for the industry.
    Anyway, best of luck and if I have any jobs going at Canary Wharf and will keep all you guys in mind.

    Mike
     
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