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How to negotiate salary

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by aushus, Jan 4, 2015.

  1. aushus

    aushus Byte Poster

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    Hey guys,
    so recently i being offered a role,
    in the interview they asked for salary and i said 70k plus and he said ok and he wrote it down and said he has to talk with the business owner about it.
    and then i got the job offer,
    but they want to run a reference check,
    i checked for the position description in their site and it said this below
    Earn $80K+ ! Includes phone, personal petrol paid great base and awsome bonuses
    i was told they pay their workers over time, and bonuses as well as paid cert and cert bouunses if you pass and you also get a company car etc.
    i was wondering when negotiating can i ask for 75k BASE salary plus the bonuses or can i ask for 80k base salary and bonuses
    nothing has being negotated i said my price is 70k plus
    they really really liked me
     
  2. Beerbaron

    Beerbaron Megabyte Poster

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    You can ask for what ever you want, getting it is a different matter. This is the type of questions you need to ask them when you negotiate the contract.
     
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  3. SimonD

    SimonD Terabyte Poster Moderator

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    Don't take this the wrong way but..

    You should have done your home work before the interview, find out what the salary offer was and gone in there with a figure in your head.

    Now the fact you have said 70+ indicates to them that you will accept 70k, not 75k base with bonuses etc, you start trying to re-negotiate at this time and you could well find yourself with no job offer at all because let's be fair, if between the interview and the job offer you try to re-negotiate terms what's to stop you trying it 3 months or 6 months down the line.

    You need to have that number in your head before starting any contract negotiations, doing it midway through makes you look either incompetent or just plain mercenary.

    To give you an example, when I was made a job offer in a job the salary ranged between 45k and 55k, when I was asked what my salary expectation was I didn't say.. sure, 50k, I said well of course I wanted the full 55k, you know what? I got it, they didn't even blink but I know if I had said ummm..... errrr. I don't know... 45k and then when it came time to sign the contract with 45k I said.. actually make it 55k I would have been laughed away and told in no uncertain terms to forget it.

    The one thing I always take with me when I interview is that the job is mine to lose, they have decided to interview me, they have a salary range and decided I am good enough for that range, why wouldn't I deserve the full salary they are offering?
     
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  4. aushus

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    good replies.

    but I said 70k plus meaning I want more than 70k so can't I negotiate to 75k I mean nothing is offical yet. in the interview they asked for salary and thats what I said amd they wrote it down somewhere so if ref checks clears out and we started talking money what will happen now since I said 70k plus remember I used plus can I get 75k or what
     
  5. shadowwebs

    shadowwebs Megabyte Poster Forum Leader

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    I was once interviewed for a job and I loved the sound of the job even thought he salary was never mentioned until I was offered the job, the money was nowhere near 70k but I said that I would happily accept the role if they would increase the pay, they met me half way and said if I performed highly enough then they would go up to the negotiated amount after 6 months. After 6 months they were happy with me and we agreed.

    I am no longer with the same company and these days I am in a different city and a different sector where pay freezes are in place along with cuts
     
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  6. Sparky
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    Have they come back with a formal offer yet mate?
     
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  7. aushus

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    they decided to go with me but wanna run a huge reference check,

    after reference check I should get the offer,

    I don't know man, if the reference check goes well can I ask for the full 80k or 75k I said 70k plus


    man PLUS means I want more than 70k
     
  8. Rob1234

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    Say you want the full 80k, any company would be lucky to have you.

    As Simon said you should have done your research before you went in but this role is paying 80k they are not expecting people to research the job before the interview.for that level of money.
     
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  9. aushus

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    thanks for your reply rob,

    its not that much money

    this is not in pounds this is in dollars,

    I said 70k PLUS

    that plus means more than 70k that's what I am expecting

    I should have said something else but I just want to correct this if I receive an offer


    I mean these are the pros

    * I am a cloud specialist and they are looking for someone of my skillset,

    * I will be replacing a senior but I will be coming in as an intermediate cause in their company standards a senior is someone who has a minimum of 12 plus years and the seniors get 100k plus and he said seniors are rare to find and he said he doesn't hire seniors he makes them, so I am replacing a dude who was probably paid more than me

    * the manger liked me he liked me so much that he wanted to marry me

    *I had 2 stage interviews with them and each of them were 3 hours each and I survived so altogether it was 6 hours for the whole process well close to that


    * I said 70k Plus the plus means I want more and the jjob advertised in their site says 80k plus so I don't see why not, these guys look for quality rather than hiring cheap cow boys to learn on the job.

    * he wants to run a reference check and ring 6 ppppl some of them are clients I did big projects for large clients maybe if the refs are good ? who knows I could get bad and I could lose it


    what yall think
     
  10. Coupe2T

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    The plus doesn't necessarily mean you want more. It is saying you would accept anything for 70k upwards, now if they offer you 70, that is meeting your salary expectation as YOU set it with them.

    If they offer you 70k, I think you would be risking it to push for more personally. As has already been said, you should have looked at all of this before going in, then you could have gone with a better figure.

    If I went to a job interview that was posted with salary of 40-50k, and as an expectation I said 30 plus, then they offer me somewhere in that region I don't think the PLUS then gives license to say actually, I want 50k, not how it works.

    You may find part of why you were liked and part of the decision is that you will come in at the lower rate, therefore making the appointment more beneficial to the company as well.

    Tread carefully if I was you!
     
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  11. Monkeychops

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    See what they say, I had a job years ago where I was asked what I wanted (company in question don't really have fixed salary ranges for positions, it's more about if you're good and they want you), when I got the offer through it was higher than the number I'd said I'd be happy with!
     
  12. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

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    I'm terrible at this kind of thing. In my latest job move I was made an offer. I said I want more. They said no. I said I accept ha ha
    Mine was my first architecture job so I didn't feel I could be picky and it wasn't a terrible package. I laugh about how rubbish my negotiations went tho :)
     
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  13. Arroryn
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    Arroryn we're all dooooooomed

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    I can't negotiate either. I negate this by going for jobs where the opening band of the salary will be the minimum I'm willing to accept anyway lol :)
     
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  14. jk2447

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    I like it!
     
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  15. SimonD

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    Whereas I am definitely grab the bull by the horns type, I know I am worth every penny, not just for my technical skills but also my people person skills. No point in waivering around a salary, if they ask what you want\expect, tell them. It's up to them to decide if they think you're worth it and up to you to decide if you want to accept the role at that rate.

    For me the step in to management at my place didn't involve any salary increase, it just involved more headaches but what it did is give me the step on the ladder to management, when I move on I know that I now have management skills and that this increases my worth and will increase my salary expectations :D

    The way I view it is simple, if you believe you're worth it and don't waiver from that belief, soon enough others will also believe you're worth it and that can only be a good thing :)
     
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  16. Monkeychops

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    This is probably a better way of explaining how my place work with a lot of positions. Whilst the jobs are in bands, the actual salary range within them is huge and not disclosed (I still have no idea where my band starts and would max out salary wise), plus the bands overlap massively.

    So for most positions they do just ask what would you like, then they decide if they want you at that value or not, in my case they chucked a bit more on than what I'd asked for (which I thought I was being cheeky enough with at the time) which was nice.

    It's not like that for every role but majority of them, when I've recommended friends for positions they always ask what the salary range is and find it odd when I say there sort of isn't one really.
     
  17. aushus

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    I just hope the reference check clears out,

    I asked the people before hand for the reference and they were happy to give it,

    I just hope I do not get low balled cause I am unemployed, is it common for people to low ball if ur unemployed?
     
  18. jk2447

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    @aushus Sure you will be OK. It's a waste of energy worrying now mate, what will be will be.

    I think a lot is about self belief, you guys are right. I just find I only have that after I've done something for a while. This was a new job for me so I looked at it as my step up. Had it been a server specific role I'd of probably been bolder. One day.... :)
     
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  19. aushus

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    hey guys

    just an update on this

    I got a verbal offer from them,

    in interview I said 70k plus

    and they offered me 80k plus I also get 5k of bonuses on top of that


    and oh yeah over time

    thank you all for advice :)
     

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