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Discussion in 'New Members Introduction' started by Pajspaj, May 27, 2008.

  1. Pajspaj

    Pajspaj New Member

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    Hey, just wandered into these forums after a brief google-fest and thought it only decent to say hello!

    Just discovered these forums and felt they might be the ideal place to sort my dilemma, so I might as well describe my situation briefly!

    I graduated last year with a non-computer science degree but felt a bit disillusioned with scientific research and so I am looking to change direction into the IT sector, based on a personal interest.

    I had an interview with Advent last week, and up until today was pretty sold on the "Advanced Network Specialist" course they do (CompTIA A+, MCP, MCDST, MCSA, MCSE Security + Messaging, Target salary of £40k in 2 years). HOWEVER, after reading around several dead forum topics elsewhere, i've become pretty apprehensive and decided I need to get some up-to-date insider info and help as I only have a week to notify them of my intentions.

    Anyway, probably too much for an introductory topic but hey, I got carried away! I'm going to take a look around the existing threads first, but thanks for reading and feel free to contact me directly if you have any sage advice or first-hand experience.

    Thanks!
     
  2. wagnerk
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    Hi & welcome to CF, glad you joined...

    ha, ha, ha, ha, ha... Please do not fall for the £40k in 2 years time. If you read the small print, it will state words like: "possible", "average", "up to". To do all those courses without the relevant experience, imo, is not a very good thing to do. You'll only learn the theory behind a fraction of what you should know and then even if you pass all those exams you'll run into the "catch-22" cycle - "over qualified for an entry level post, not enough experience for a higher role."

    Start off with the entry level certs like the A+, Network+ and MCDST and then see where that takes you.

    -Ken
     
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  3. greenbrucelee
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    Hi Welcome :)

    I agree with what Ken said, do not do any certs like MCSE or MCSA unttil you have relevant experience in a job otherwise you may find it harder to get a job in IT as those certs are supposed to show your experience level not just knowledge.
     
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  4. sunn

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    Welcome aboard...
    I'd look at Ken's advice and consider the A+ as the first option.

    Good luck :study
     
  5. BosonMichael
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    Welcome to the forums! I was a Chemistry major - never got a research job.

    Ken's absolutely right... pursue the A+, Network+, and MCDST... but no farther until you've built up some real-world IT experience. And by all means, do NOT fall for the high salary lures! Stick with self-study... it's far cheaper than training schools, and you're going to have to learn on your own in your IT career eventually - companies aren't going to pay for you to take expensive training courses, nor are they going to allow you the time to do so.

    Best of luck!
     
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  6. Notes_Bloke

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    Hi & welcome to CF:D

    NB
     
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  7. Pajspaj

    Pajspaj New Member

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    Thanks for such a warm welcome!

    Also, massive thanks for saving me from a £6k dent in my bank statement!

    I pretty much had my sights set on Advent unfortunately, so being back here on the desolate plains of career-dom without a plan is pretty worrying! I feel like I do definitely still want a job in IT however; you are saying self-study through the first parts and THEN try and get a job?

    Ideally i'd love a starter job whilst getting on-hand training (hence why I fell for Advent) but trying to find those sort of jobs in the career website cesspit is nigh on impossible! Is IT really that hard to get into without a BSc in Computer Science?

    Cheers again, and sorry if i'm not supposed to continue posting here! :S
     
  8. greenbrucelee
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    look for entry level jobs (type that in a search engine or trainee positions you do not require certification or qualifications in IT for those.
     
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  9. BosonMichael
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    1) Self-study IS a plan.
    2) You should try to get a job WHILE you self-study, not AFTER you self-study. If you complete a certification, add it to your CV and keep looking.
    3) Advent can't promise you a starter job, nor will they likely get you one while you're in training. In truth, a training course somewhat prevents you from getting a job until your training is complete! With self-study, you can start looking for a job TODAY.
    4) IT can be hard to get into with or without a degree. Like certifications, a degree simply gives you an advantage over others with similar experience levels. That said, getting into IT isn't impossible - it can be done. You simply have to be the most attractive candidate for the job.
     
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  10. Pajspaj

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    Hi again everyone, since last posting I have continued to look around about getting into IT and had a few face-to-face discussions, but for now the best place to be is here on CF :D

    I bought Mike Meyers' All-in-one A+ book partly for the exams but mostly just to further my knowledge and interest. However... because I have no work-related compy experience so to speak (purely modding and helping family out with what I presume are "help-desk" type issues), some of the more "how-it-works" hardcore techy stuff is causing me a bit of confusion. I guess it's pretty hard to relay how a PC works on paper! (That or i'm an idiot and should cease these impure IT thoughts immediately...)

    Anyway, are these forums a place I could possibly get someone's help on the tech side, or is it purely based around the certs and passing them?

    Thanks again for having a wonderful site; invaluable I might add!

    Josh
     
  11. greenbrucelee
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    Just post in relevant forum in whatever your having difficullty with, so if its something to with A+ create a thread in the A+ forum.

    I recently passed my A+ so if you need help just ask :)
     
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  12. nugget
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    Hi and welcome to the forum.:biggrin
     
    Certifications: A+ | Network+ | Security+ | MCP (270,271,272,290,620) | MCDST | MCTS:Vista
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