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Global Warming

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by shambles, Jul 9, 2007.

  1. shambles

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    The Global Warming debate is over. All the reputable climatologists tell us that mankind's CO2 contribution to the atmosphere is raising the global temperature to disastrous levels. If we don't act NOW, it may be too late for us prevent a catastrophe.

    But nowhere near enough is being done. CO2 output continues to rise. We can't even stick to the limits we have agreed. And some of us seem to think that we don't need to do anything ourselves.

    Why is this? What kind of excuses will we come up with to tell our children when they are born into a dying world? What are YOU going to do to help save the planet?

    ...or is it all a load of old toss?
     
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    My theory is: The Earth IS gonna explode/die, its had enough... fact :)
     
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    Hi shambles, did you watch the Great Global Warming Swindle on C4 a few months ago? It was a real eye opener! Did you know that vineyards flourished in the north of England during the 14th century? Global warming appears to be a natural process that the earth has gone through many a time its long history! On radio 4 the other day they said that they don't think the ice caps will melt that as bad as they reckon due to new research on green land that showed ice was still about thousands of years ago when the planet was 5c warmer! The current icecap melts are on the fringes of the poles. They have contracted/expanded over time and that is a natural process according to the scientists on that program I mentioned.

    What they all agreed on was the fact that Enviromentalism is the new Socialism - even the founder of greenpeace does not agree with global warming theories! So why do our govt go on about it? they state a number of reasons:

    * To keep the likes of China out of our trading block - impose high taxes etc on their goods because of their manufacturing processes
    * Keep the African continent on it's knees by threats of aid withdrawl if they exploit their resources (oil) - the eu forces the african nations to use crap solar technology etc. A growing Africa and China is a threat to EU and American trade.
    * An excuse to tax us more!

    It's a pity that people don't question this more!
     
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    Ok so we have Global Warming thats gonna destroy the Earth...

    A big asteroid is due to hit us sometime in the next centuary.. will destroy the Earth.....

    A Global killer virus is on its way that will wipe out most living things on the Earth....

    Mankinds Wars will wipe us from the face of the planet or destroy the Earth....

    I see a pattern here. Listen to what everyone says and at some point in the future the Earth will die. Well thats true of most planets and suns, they all die, thats nature and life the universe and everything!
    I reckon Global warming is just a natrural occurance that happens every few hundred years and was never noticed before. After all we didnt keep good records or have scientific measuring equpiment thats available today back then.
    Most of it is being spouted by Politicians and companies that you can always suspect of having ulterior motives, like rasing taxes or trying to sell us something we don't really need, by playing with out feelings of guilt.

    let nature take its course, after all nothing lasts for ever. And if it turns out the politicians etc have it wrong iwont be around in 200 years to see anyway.
     
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  5. greenbrucelee
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    Totally agree :D

    When are people going to realise that 'climate change' is a natural thing, this world will die one day so will our sun and anyone who says we should stop going abroad on holiday or driving cars that are not hybrids is talking crap.

    Yes we may be contributing to the problem but we cant stop it whatever we do but one thing is for sure its not gonna happen in our life time
     
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  6. shambles

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    I'll see if I can find the post-show quote from the climatologist who contributed to the Great Global Warming Swindle - he was appalled at how he had been so badly misrepresented...

    The thing is, I completely agree that the earth goes through cycles of warming - possibly due to our wobbly orbit about the sun, or sun activity, or something else. The climatologists who have studied the subject also know this. And it's all been built into the climate models they use. I just want to restate this, because it is important: All the reputable experts in the field agree that mankind's CO2 contribution to global warming (that's everything over and above what happens as normal) is going to tip us over the edge. These are bright people. And there are lots of them.

    I used to be the biggest climate-skeptic you could find anywhere. But there is only so much flying in the face of the evidence a man can do...

    That's a bit selfish, I think.

    And pinkfluff - don't give in so easily. The future is still unwritten...
     
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    The problem is that these people are having their names added to "reports" on global warming when they have contributed little!! Even if they disagree their names, but not arguments, are added to these reports!

    Many scientists now know that the only way they get funding from the govt etc is to qoute Global Warming in their subject line! Those who don't face the reality of funds being withdrawn.

    My cousin is a bright geologist and he laughs at this global warming stuff! I'd agree with him as he has studied the history of the dirt far longer then me...plus he also informed me that grants for research are dished out to those who mention global warming. My other cousin is a phd in a completly unrelated subject but she is good friends with climatoligists of whom she works with and they have mentioned the same about random names being added to govt findings on Global Warming.

    I have to say that no way do all reputable people in this field agree - some have put there own careers on the line by disagreeing with the global warming hype! the whole thing is a scare tactic and away of getting more money into govt coffers! If oil and the likes were killing the planet then why don't the govt ban it?? Why do they continue to allow us to use whilst making billions in tax revenue?? Why? Why don't they use the billions they make to research and get into production alternate fuel based vehilces and powerstations? Why why why????

    Because they are full of shite - which apparently can be used as an alternate source of fuel!
     
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    shambles, the chap you mention is Carl Wunsch. He said what he said - questions were asked and he answered! Now he claims he was duped! Out of all of them interviewed he's the only one that back tracked.
     
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    Keep convincing yourself that it's all a conspiracy to get money for research. Do it each time you fill your car up in fact. Then, in thirty years' time when your kids are struggling to school through a mini-ice age (far more likely to be the result of global warming than a mere baking of the UK in tropical sunshine due to the ice caps melting and cutting off the Atlantic Conveyor) and there are no Tigers, Polar Bears or Gorillas left outside of zoos and safari parks, I'm sure you can look back with pride at the fact that you 'fought the system' and 'didn't believe the hype'.

    Totally irrespective of the fact that there has been undoubted skulduggery in putting peoples' names to reports that they contributed little to (this goes on all the time, in every branch of science - not just climatology), there is hard, irrefutable evidence that our contribution to what is a cyclic climate change is having a devastating effect on our planet.

    I have never understood the old 'the green lobby are trying to pull the wool over the public's eyes' argument. What on Earth (no pun intended) gain would there be in trying to convince everyone that we were destroying our environment if it was all a sham?

    I'd certainly be interested in speaking to your cousin - the climatologist. My degree is Geology, and I studied Climatology extensively as part of it. Quite how anyone who has done so themselves can refute ice core data that proves that global temperature has jumped more in the past 150 years than at any time since the last Ice Age over a comparable period is beyond me. How can it be coincidence that, during the age where mankind has been at it's most productive/destructive, temperature averages have soared so dramatically?

    Yes, the people who say that we are solely responsible for temperature rises are imbeciles. Climate change is a cyclical thing - and there can be little doubt from current evidence that we are in a temperature upswing at present. However, this 'upswing' is being accelerated astronomically by our blithe ignorance of the facts. Deforestation, CFC emissions, greenhouse gas proliferation and inappropriate use of fossil fuels are making a massive contribution toward hastening our average global temperature rise to breaking point. It would take a global average rise of just over 2.5 degrees celsius to bring about 'the sixth extinction' that has long been predicted by Geologists, Climatologists, Ecologists and Palaeontologists.

    This isn't a dig at you in particular. Plenty of people have been on here in the past couple of days trying to justify their need to fill up a ridiculously overpowered car with twice the fuel required to get them about at a reasonable pace, or talkin trash about scientists (most of whom alarmingly now have a vested interest in speaking out AGAINST climate change because much of the funding from so-called 'independent' universities now comes from industry) being 'mis-quoted' in reports and papers, or generally holding forth on climate change being some giant global conspiracy to con us into wearing woolly socks throughout the year and drinking nettle tea.

    I'd give everyone the same advice as I would have fifteen years ago when the hype about global warming was at its peak (and considerably 'pro' theory): Don't believe the hype. Do some digging and research yourself. There are hundreds of websites out there that will provide you a nice biased view depending on which side the site creator falls. Personally, I cannot ignore the evidence that we are hastening (not solely causing) global warming, and feel that unless attitudes change drastically in the next ten-fifteen years, there won't be a damn thing we can do about it.
     
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    From what I remember we should have had another ice age by now anyway, dont forget that an ice age would be a natural part of climate change not global warming.

    Now if we should have had an ice age by now and we havent are we not doing something right.

    Global warming is a contributory factor to the climate change we are facing but lets not dispute the fact that solar flares from the sun have increased every year since the industrial revolution and those flares are a major factor in the global warming situation.

    Yes the ice caps are melting but recycling and driving less powerful cars aint gonna do anything.

    And I will continue to drive my 2 litre car untill I have enough money to buy the 3 litre version or the M3 which 3.2

    Its all an excuse to tax us more
     
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    GBL - You didn't read what I said.

    We are not 'overdue another ice age'. If we were on the cusp of a 'steady' entrance into a period of temperature rise, we would have relative calm for the next five to ten thousand years. In fact, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that ice ages - northern european ones at any rate - are caused by previous periods of prolonged global warming - the Atlantic Conveyor being switched off when polar ice caps melt, causing not sea rises, but drastic FALLS in temperature due to the gulf stream being 'switched off'. This is what led to Northern Europe's 'mini-ice age' in the middle ages.

    If we contribute to the ever increasing melting of the polar ice caps - more irrefutable proof of this is widely available - the resulting meltwater will raise sea levels a huge amount, and hasten our race into another ice age.
     
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    zebulebu - he did read your post, and so did I! And quite frankly I do not believe it and do me a favour please don't force the guilt trip on me!

    I don't believe the hype and I also don't believe your hype! That is my right as is yours so refrain from the prophicies of doom as I'm sick and tired of hearing it!

    As for my cousin (a geologist), I for one believe him as it is people like him who hold the alternate views and questions the bullshit that is being fed to him! And yes I have done some research, however; I also happen to listen to normal people! Normal people who were alive before the 2nd world war like my grand parents. They have always said that before the war the weather was like what it is now and then after - up until the 70s - it was very cold! Now at that point the hype was "Global Cooling" even my mum and dad remember that bollox! Now it's global warming...whatever ...it's crap!

    Communism failed, socialism failed, monertirism failed, so now the political elite use environmentalism to control the masses!

    I respect your belief's zebulebu but I don't respect your predictions because unless you're a time traveller then your predictions are just as good as mine and others on this forum!
     
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    Totally agree, I think its far more likley that we will be invaded by Aliens before there is inrefutable proof of global warming. As I have said in my previous posts dont get climate change and global warming mixed up.

    This all started with the ozone layer because people use deodrant, now its if we dont put some plastic in one box and cardboard in another then we are all gonna die and its all our fault.

    Now this started under the labour government in this country now quite frankly I could believe a word any politician says because they're usless individuals (apart from one or two) who cant get real jobs and think they have a right to tell us what to do if they can get more coinage out of us
     
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    i goto agree with zeb on this one its just a shame that pritty much nothing will be done till its in our face
     
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    I agree. And for once, I have to disagree with Zeb.
     
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    Dude its not gonna be in our face, well be long dead before the shite hits the fan
     
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    thats a great attitude to have
     
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    This thread isn't going to turn into an "insult-fest" like the fuel price one?
     
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    No because this one is very interesting! I congratulate shambles for another excellent posting topic!
     
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    I'm not talking about who has created the thread, I'm talking about what happens when we get a couple of pages in :wink:
     
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