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No not hard enough, there have been over 50+ wars started by america in the last 50-60 years.

Estimates are put at around a million deaths in Iraq as result of the war.
God only knows the real figures. And that doesn't count the injured.

Cambodia had more munitions dropped on it by the US than in entire second world war, the ensuing destabalisation caused millions more deaths by starvation and the Khumere rouge.

Vietnam, pretty sure everyone knows this one, like before in other conflicts (Spanish–American War, Lusitania, Pearl Harbour, etc) engineered their way into war with the Gulf of Tonkin incident. Then went on to 'bomb the country back to the stone age', they used Agent Orange, Cluster bombs, White Phospherous. Millions died, millions more injured, country will take thousands of years to truely recover. Estimates vary but probably looking at around 3 million or more dead Vietnamese.

In south america, they did various operations related to the Iran / Contra affair.

They were involved in Guatmala, Nicaragua, Cuba, Bolivia, Honduras, Chile, Argentina, Columbia, etc..

The Japanese argue that A-bombs weren't in fact necessary. If you only listen to one side you only get half the story.

Masacare in Indonesia by CIA, 2-3 million more dead.

Its hard to attribute all the clandestine deaths that are related to US involvement, like the the kurds in Iraq or forced dissaperances in south america by US backed dictators.

Russia doesn't kill that many people these days (a few in Chechneya), America still kills millions. Its hard to get true body counts, but I believe its quite possible that the fallout from the 50+ US backed wars/interventions runs into 10's of millions dead. Does this make one better worse than the other ? All unecessary human death and suffering is bad.

You could argue that the US is becomming a fascist state, they have lost many liberties recently. The Patriot act, emergency presidential powers, etc. It is not always necessary to kill to keep people in power, fear does half the job, and what have the US media been proagandising, oh yeah 'war on terror'.

Yes China has a bad record for human rights agreed. Half the US government doesn't give too ****s about them either, look around...

Currently amercian people are dieing in unecessary wars, being poisoned by GM foods and toxic waste, the CIA has smuggled drugs into their own country and they've killed half of their own presidents...

 

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@greenbrucelee

Its a smokescreen people, ISI and CIA probably knew where he was whole time, he was a CIA asset.

There are reports he was in a US military hospital at one point !

There are reports that french special forces could have taken him out at another but were told to stand down by the US.

 

Yes totally agree. The story reported on the news is distinctly fishy, you can almost smell the lies. The whole 9/11 thing is just very strange indeed, what's really going on who knows.

But what p***es me off is that nobody ever stops and thinks what happens when you displace one regime with another, who steps in to take power? ie take away the USA or the British Royal Family or 'democracy' itself and who then takes over? Reading a history of Soviet Russia you will realise what a bunch of a-holes are awaiting their chances to take over.

 

Agreed, unfortunately 'the ruling classes' have at least been groomed to lead, so despite often being assholes they sometimes have some benefits. Doesn't mean other people can't lead or that that a purer 'democracy' isn't viable.

However there are some good leaders and revolutionaries in the world, unfortunately they are often subject to assassination, coup attempts and all out wars.

Look at Che Quevara, Hugo Chavez, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro, etc.

I'm not that up on politics, however the idea of a 'commons' seems to have some positives. Also many communal societies seem very peaceful. Seems a shame real democracy and socialism has never really been given a chance outside of maybe ancient Greece and Catalonia that is.

Power brokers seem to often soon intervene and corrupt, this is not just a problem with the formation of communism. It seems more related to autocracy, two party systems, media control, etc. Thank god we now have a coalition government. Our political system seems absolutely archaic, couldn't believe there were no standard guidelines for how to form a coalition.

The Russian people have been most unfortunate, their peoples revolution did not bring true democracy and was stolen from them. They are a good people, I recommend going to visit.

 

Most likely true but we will never know for certain. The US would never have allowed another countries special forces to take him plus the longer we let it go on the more money can be made on oil.

Killing him wont bring this to an end anyway, most likely it will make it worse.

 

They spent most time building and guarding pipelines and protecting them. They have also built the largest US embassy ever, its a fortress.

The US won't leave until the Oil runs out, maybe some troops will leave if the OPF becomes their agents, but it will still in effect be a US Oil grab.

Its 66 years since war ended in Japan, recently Yukio Hatoyama had to resign because he could not fulfil his promise to close the US base in Okinawa. This is a country that had two A-bombs dropped on it by the US and has virtually no armed forces, yet the US empire still won't leave.

He was already irrelevant to both 'sides', Bush publicly said he wasn't bothered where he was after he got into Iraq and Afghanistan. I'm not sure how much of a figurehead he was to Muslim extremists, but I'm loathe to believe the western hype.