September 11, 2001

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Perhaps I'm an unemphatic bastard, I don't know
But every year I remember the friends I lost that day, one of them who was pretty close and I see what the world has become, the rights that have been freely given up by the citizens of the free world in the name of security and I hurt.

Not for the loss of my friends, I enjoy their memory and always will, but for the eager willingness, even demands made by the uneducated selfish masses in the name of personal security

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Had I been on that plane I would of gladly made my peace knowing my loved ones would continue to enjoy life in a free and democratic world
Knowing what I know now I feel sorry for all those who did, their children will now grow up with less rights, less freedoms, and not an ounce more security, what a raw deal.

Bring on the day where the citizens of the free world wake up and smell the rather whittled roses and act accordingly

I'll always remember that day, not for what happened then, not solely for friends lost, but for the the point in history that the free world began a sad and dangerous downward spiral

 

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Bad tempered, mutated sea bass just because we couldn't get sharks with freeken lasers on their heads

 

I can't say much in this thread or I will just fall apart. Sean, thank you so much for that post. Glad to know someone notices the good this country does do for other countries and just not point fingers when we are also left to do the dirty work.

Ryan I agree with you.

 

Out of all the Pentagon footage - all we get is a purposly difficult to tell 5 frame clip? lol is that the best the PENTAGON can provide the public with?? That doesn't silence anyone... It's fishy, I don't believe for one second that those planes ever impacted those buildings, who knows where. We lost 4 people from my work, and I agree a lot of these conspiracys seem thick with BS, but until you have worked with companys like RMS, and been shown presentations of product, you will be able to tell that it didn't seem like aircraft..

Exit holes on the Pentagon were too clean and precise for a start. Do study on a Tomahawk Missile (from U.S. Navy) and you'll see that it was that which struck the Pentagon, not a gigantic areoplane

USA needs no excuse to slaughter innocent people for greed, just wait for Iran, or Russia next. They're already siding with Georgia

Another thing I should mention is that U.S spend billions a year on defence, yet half of the products I work with, as with any missile has a 10 year life expectancy... Watch - Every 10 years USA find some crooked way to initiate wars in order not to loose out on that HUGE investment, because that's what "USA Defence" really stands for - "USA Investment"

 

It should be fairly obvious to everyone that War, and more specifically the global arms trade are incredibly profitable ventures, especially for the USA. So I totally agree with a number of your points.

I don't think the US government are even close to being capable of perpatrating the biggest conspiracy in the worlds history though. That's what the whole 9/11 being cooked up by the US government is tantamount to. If they couldn't even pull off Watergate without being caught, then why would you think they could pull off something many many magnitudes bigger, that also involved literally thousands of people ...

 

First off I don't believe the U.S. Government are behind it fully. I said that Bush and his administration are 'puppets' for the real culprits

& that article made me smile. It's more or less just another thing proven to be fact. More than 100 eye witnesses claim they saw a plane? Have you ever seen a Tomahawk Cruise missile? Better yet I guess it would impossible to further alter the look to make it appear like a "small" air craft which is statements other people have made. "Small people carrier". That never seems to blow up over the news though, and no one really seems to address these issues - such as the Pentagon footage - because they quite simply 'can't'!!! a weak 5 frame clip is a complete and utter joke and insult to the public.. After watching hundreds of impact videos, the Pentagon seems no different than any other video I've been fortunate enough to see in the workplace.

People that believe Bin Laden is the criminal in all this, and that his hired hench men hijacked planes and drove them into US buildings effortleslly is a bit of a joke, and people who believe that would be the exact same people that would believe the watergate thing had they been succesful in pulling that off, and believe that global warming is down to man, and every other bit of nonsense thrown at us for mass public justification on whatever their main goal is in the end

an older Tomahawk missile. These are more advanced now

< THOR is an advanced and upgraded version of the Tomahawk missile

 

Another thing to explain wreckage is if you check on here

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws002/exhibit/missiles.htm

Bigger chassis and materials to manufacture such an item would give a lot more possibility of wreckage... Anyone who has seen plane crashes will also tell you that the Pentagon was very odd, not just people who work in weapons for the U.S. Navy

 

Refresh my memory please. How many people do they seat again?

 

Please for the love of god tell me you're having a laugh ? Are you serious ? planes didn't hit the WTC ? There are videos of the bloody things going straight into the towers, BOTH of em, you can't mistake them for missiles, because they are clearly planes, some people even have still photos with the plane in.

The only one that could be mistaken is the Pentagon and that was pretty standard, the CCTV footage is bad because it was 2001 and it was not some bloody High tech 2000 MP camera on the side of the building, it was a pinhole camera inside a road barrier.

Afghanistan was because of 9/11 not Iraq, Iraq was because Saddam was warned over and over again about breaking the rules that the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY put in place, he broke them and the only people to stand up and say "It's time for him to be punished" were the Coalition. France and all them were the first to condemn his actions, vote FOR sanctions and the last to actually ENFORCE the sanction, they put in place.

The High school bully broke the rules and everyone sat around bitching until a few sat up and did something about it.

As for Bin Laden, it's gods job to forgive him, it's our job to arrange the meeting.

 

Just to be blunt, for every page you give with a couple of photos showing nothing, there are 100 witnesses, dozens of websites, several hundred photos showing very clearly the wreckage of an aircraft.

It may have been ALLOWED to happen but it certainly was not planning by the government, sure allowing it to happen may be better in the long run, but that is just an opportunity, hell, nothing would of been lost had it not happened.

And the DEBT ISN'T because of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, It costs billions and billions every year sure, but the US isn't bankrupt contrary to popular belief, in fact it has an 80 billion dollar deficit, which isn't much in a multi trillion dollar economy. The War is funded, sure it diverts funds away from things like healthcare etc which is what people are moaning about, but the money comes direct from the military budget, only a small amount comes from other budgets, and I am pretty sure it is offset by taxes on oil companies and weapons sales.

 

Some of the alleged sanctions that were supposed to be being broken related to WMD's, they were never found to exist!

UN sanctions and international law are broken every day around the world, why didn't/don't we invade Zimbabwe, Lebanon, Sudan, Uganda or North Korea ?

Iraq was invaded because Bush wanted to finish what his father started and I think the fact they are in the top three countries with easy access to vast ammounts of sweet crude oil might just have something to do with it...

Lets not forget that US foreign policy was the reason why Sadam was in power in Iraq in the first place, funny how exporting democracy around the world is the aim yet before exporting puppet dictators was the aim ? If you're gonna export democracy how about free and fair elections in florida?

As Bill Hicks would say :-

“Go back to bed, America, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed America, your government is in control. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up, go back to bed America, here is American Gladiators, here is 56 channels of it! Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****ing skulls together and congratulate you on the living in the land of freedom. Here you go America - you are free to do what well tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”

 

I started this thread as a memorial to honor the victims of the 9-11 terrorist acts; the dead, their families, and everyone who was impacted by these cowardly acts. In a larger sense, I also intended to honor the victims of all terrorist acts worldwide, including in the UK, Europe, Israel and elsewhere. I *didn't* start this thread to air the various conspiracy theories associated with September 11, 2001.

Sadly, my intentions have been warped and the thread has degraded and is no longer productive. For that reason, I'm locking it.

Next time, anyone who has a conspiracy theory (Yes Fox Muldar, "the truth is out there") can start their own thread and anyone who wants to participate can join in there. Next year, please, please allow those of us to want to commemorate our honored dead to do so in peace.

-Trip