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Selfish and unreasonable?

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by Luddym, Jan 15, 2009.

  1. Luddym

    Luddym Megabyte Poster

    Where I currently work, the wage I'm on is horrendous (under 20k) for 2nd/3rd line support, and personal responsibility for all VMware ESX equipment and Virtual machines etc etc.

    At the later end of last year, I was offered a fairly nice pay rise to secure my services with the company, because I had expressed concern over the need to leave to secure more money. (I desperately need to save a deposit for a small house, and then be able to afford a mortgage.)

    Fast forward to this week. I still haven't got the pay rise, and it looks like the company are saying that things have changed and I'm not going to get one full stop this year.

    With the economy where it is at present, should I just be thankful I have a job and the company be forgiven in this U-Turn, or should I be annoyed as hell?

    How would anyone else feel? (Just to gauge if I'm being unreasonable.)
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  2. kevicho

    kevicho Gigabyte Poster

    Id keep an eye out on whats available and get applying, but a wage is better than none.
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  3. Povester

    Povester Bit Poster

    I'd be annoyed as hell personally, If they actually offered you the pay rise and then went back on it then that's a major disappointment. Could you ask someone higher up what the situation is, see if they would be willing to honour the rise as a special case?
    There are still plenty of job opportunitys out there and with your experience and certs I'm sure you could command a much higher wage then you're on now... could be worth taking a chance :)
  4. soundian

    soundian Gigabyte Poster

    What kevicho said.
    But be careful, if your current employers find out you may be looking for a new job whether you want to or not.
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  5. Evilwheato

    Evilwheato Kilobyte Poster

    I would stay where you are, but still look around for other work.
    There is also nothing stopping you asking why the original agreement wasn't met, and whether there is room for negotiation (you never know!)
  6. NoCompanyIT

    NoCompanyIT Nibble Poster

    I had that once, I started an I.T Sales Support job on 14k and at the interview he offered a pay rise to 15k after 6 months and 16k after 12 months. I stayed for 18 months and got my 15k but not the 16k. He could have paid me 100k I wouldn't have stayed.
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  7. Fergal1982

    Fergal1982 Petabyte Poster

    if you are staff, you cant be sacked just for looking for another job. not in the uk at least.
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  8. nXPLOSi

    nXPLOSi Terabyte Poster

    I was in a similar position just before Christmas, but secured a nice payrise and future salary "package" for this year as and when I pass exams. If it had fallen through like yours has? I'd be really, *really* annoyed, no doubts. The problem is with todays current climate is everyone is trying to cut back, so the reason you probably didnt get the raise promised, is also the reason you'll find it challenging to find another decent job - Company's letting staff go rather then hiring more.

    As already said, i'd have to try to sit still without boiling inside at the thought of what happened and just keep looking for another job. With your experience and certs, if companies are looking, you will be hopefully be a shoe in!

    Best of luck
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  9. Boycie
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    Boycie Senior Beer Tester

    Perhaps not directly Ferg, but employeers can always look for other reasons unfortunately. :(
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  10. tripwire45
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    tripwire45 Zettabyte Poster

    The economy has forced most companies into survival mode unless what they're producing is overwhelmingly popular or overwhelmingly necessary. That means they need to cut costs where they can and, in some cases, go back on previously made plans, including salary increases.

    Although I tend to nest for the long-haul whenever I'm in a permanent job, logic and experience tells me to always look for other opportunities, as if I were in a contract job that could end at any time. There's no such thing as the "company job" anymore (for the most part) where you work for the same firm for 45 years and then get a gold watch at retirement. It's reasonable, even in a job that you like, to covertly keep an eye on jobs being posted for something better. No harm in you looking and it's better to be seeking a job when you're already employed and not feeling "desperate".
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  11. craigie

    craigie Terabyte Poster

    With your experience and qualifications you should be on £35K plus.

    One of my best friends who specialised in VMWare left his job recently which was paying £48K basic to work in Pre Sales Storage, on more money.

    My advise is to look for another job.
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  12. Gingerdave

    Gingerdave Megabyte Poster

    I would stay put while looking as hard as i could for a new posr.

    Was the agreement written down anywhere?
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  13. gochieng

    gochieng Bit Poster

    yes, I agree with the advisories of the others. the international recession is having job opportunities and better pay as its first victim. employers have and will continue retrenching (an apt IMF/WB terminology for job cuts) workers ostentiably to down- and right -size its workforce. similarly they will be very reluctant to increase pay. this is even at the cost of other potential costs that may arise when employees sue/ demand for promised payrises. individual employees are however advised to keep their present jobs UNTIL they get better paying and better condition jobs. remember most employers prefer employable individuals and this is measured with whether you have RECENTLY been employed. An African saying, "never uproot a pumpkin in the old homestead"
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  14. onoski

    onoski Terabyte Poster

    Stay put and keep an eye open for other job opportunities. Best wishes and keep hussling:)
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  15. onoski

    onoski Terabyte Poster

    It would be good to also remember that once you're earning over 35K in the UK then after tax you're only really earning 15K plus.

    It's not always greener on the other side, but yeah by all means keep an eye open.
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  16. wagnerk
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    wagnerk aka kitkatninja Moderator

    I agree, that's what I would do :)

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  17. dwhyte85

    dwhyte85 Nibble Poster

    I'm in a similar position, was promised a chunky pay rise as "I'm kind of a big deal." to quote Anchorman, well in terms of what the current IT offerings i think most people would be in the same position - i'm not trying to sound bigheaded, it shows how poor the quality of IT is at my company!

    Anyway, long story short they've categorically no pay rises this coming April - with jobs so scarce I think i'm going to have to grin and bear it, it sucks because i left a slightly better paying job which would look far better on my CV on the basis of pay rise after probation! I personally think you'd be wise to continue with your job, continue to look for other jobs but hold in mind job stability at any future employer.
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  18. craigie

    craigie Terabyte Poster

    Err, not sure what your on about here.

    The yearly take home on £35K is £25,957.60.

    Just to be perfectly clear once you hit the 40% tax bracket, it is only your earnings over this which are taxed at the higher rate.

    Income Tax rates and taxable bands 2008-09 2009-10
    Starting rate for savings: 10%* £0-£2,320 £0-£2,440
    Basic rate: 20% £0-£34,800 £0-£37,400
    Higher rate: 40% Over £34,800 Over £37,400
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  19. BosonMichael
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    BosonMichael Yottabyte Poster

    Had something similar happen to me. September/Octoberish of '99, I started working for an IT services company. They told me that they would give me a salary increase if I got my MCSE+I, which I got in April of 2000, I think it was. No pay increase - only a promise that it was coming. Come my 1-year anniversary... STILL no pay increase, not even a yearly cost-of-living increase. Nothing. Come January of '01, I asked my boss what the status was, and he pulled up December's revenue to justify why they couldn't give me a pay raise. Okay, fine, I can understand that, had I been due a raise in December... but I had been promised a raise since April! Don't promise me something that you can't fulfill...

    Unfortunately, that wasn't the only promise that the company had broken to me... so I started looking. I applied to a company for a job that intrigued me, and by May of '01, after handing in my two-week notice to my employer, I became the newest content developer at Transcender.

    So my advice to you is this: if you want to change employers, discreetly look for something better (not on the company's network, or using the company's equipment). And don't give up your current job until you've got a signed offer letter firmly in hand.
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  20. dales

    dales Terabyte Poster

    Thanks for this craigie, I've always wondered what happened when you reached on of those tax brackets. So let me get this straight if you earn 38k the first £37,400 is taxed at a normal rate and the last 600 pounds is taxed at 40% is that right!?:blink
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