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Merry Christmas, and all that jazz

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by Arroryn, Dec 25, 2007.

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  1. Arroryn
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    Arroryn we're all dooooooomed


    Firstly in all seriousness, I wish everyone on CF a hearty and healthy festive season, and a rip-roaring start to the New Year.

    I wanted to start my own topic on this, after reading a comment in another thread on the dating of Christmas.

    Being newly converted towards the Christian faith myself, and well-rehearsed in ancient history thanks to the tireless ministrations of my Latin teacher, the debate on the date of the birth of Christ is an interesting one.

    As already mentioned, the birth of Christ is attributed to be around the 6th January.

    I think common belief moved the date to the 25th December, to coincide with the Winter Solstice on the Julian Calendar.

    A lot of people think that Christmas is now celebrated on 25th December to coincide with the Roman feast of Saturnalia, worshiping the god Saturn (surprisingly). I don't think this is true, as Saturnalia was (I think) celebrated in the week leading up to the 17th December (or a week from/after 17th). A quick rumble on Wikipedia showed me 25th December was infact the feast of Sol Invictus, which supplanted Saturnalia.

    Hmmm... I'm not sure if the thread has a point now. I was trying to explain to myself how commercial "Christmas Day" itself had become - away from the religion, and more towards the grasping profit-mongerers in the high street - and whether or not anyone else observed any different days.

    Possibly, you can all ignore me completely. But I put too much thought into remembering the details of Saturnalia to delete everything I've written.

    Merry Christmas! :p
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  2. Mitzs
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    Merry Christmas Arr! I do not belive this is the day of god birth. However, it is a time for loves and family to gather and gets lots of free gifts. :biggrin I hope everyone has a great holiday and stays safe!

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  3. greenbrucelee
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    Hippy Christmas everyone :p
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  4. tripwire45
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    My understanding is that the timing and frankly, the occasion of Christmas is a man-made tradition. There's no direct mention of the date of the birth of Christ in the Bible and I believe that is for good reason. If the Almighty wanted us to celebrate his birth, He'd have been more plain as he was about festivals like Passover and Sukkot (Festival of Tabernacles).

    Winter time gets cold, even in Israel. The idea that sheep would be in a pasture anytime around December or January is ridiculous. Probably spring or fall would be more likely candidates.

    I had this discussion with my son Michael last year. Although the tradition of Christmas has no Biblical basis at all, if it's the time of year that believers choose to behave in a more Christ-like manner, doing good to others and thinking of themselves less, then it's a good thing. In that sense though, I wish is would be "Christmas" for Christians all year round.

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    Merry Xmas :biggrin
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