it looks like you have been provoked by someone and...

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You are mistaken by i do not care your words. This doesn't suit my personality, too much for a dude like me.
you are not aware of the fact that you have been talking to a guy which you never meet around the world.
Im not cruel, im not opportunist, money lover or do not have other bad characteristics. But, some of you seem
to enjoy humiliating me over and over. i can not take it further.

You might be right for these certificates, however, especially for three days, i have been the unwanted
guy in here. i do not deserve such a rude action.

One last word, you might not love my questions. But, my threads related to daily life? According to you,
why had i started threads concerned with girls, alcohol...

Purpose : Not to be advertised as unwanted and to share my life with you.

 

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Well, forget about every other things. What about money? Assuming taking CCNA hard since you did not get a job also do not have much money. Unfortunately, economical situation is the most important part here. Because of these difficulties, im forced to ask questions on these forums.

 

You don't have to have the A+ or Network+ certifications in order to get an entry-level IT job. Having those entry-level certifications just makes you look better than others who are applying for the same job.

So, get an entry-level IT job - or ANY job! - and earn enough money to get the certifications. Or, don't. It's your choice.

If you want to succeed, you'll do what you need to do to succeed - which is to do the things we've told you for four years. If you don't, you'll continue to have these same problems.

 

Kobem, nobody is trying to humiliate you or be rude to you.

What people are saying is that, given the questions that you are asking, you probably do not know all the things you should in order to be a CCNA, and have advised you to take a step back and start lower down.

That's not being rude, it's giving professional advice in response to things that you brought up.

It's clear what has happened. The situation in your country has given you the impression that you need some higher certs in order to get a decent job - and money is important to you. So you've gained one of these certs somehow and are refusing to take a step down as it makes you feel like you are going backwards.

It isn't going backwards, it's going back to where you should be. You need to understand that in IT you never stop learning - backwards or forwards, it doesn't matter. You can't jump the learning queue and then stop. No matter what certs you have, there is always going to be something you don't know - and there is no shame in that.

You claimed in another recent thread that you were a senior network tech. I'm assuming that all the questions you have been asking here over the last few years have been in an effort to keep your head above water. Just that in itself should be sounding warning bells that something is wrong.

If it helps, I've taken many a step backwards. I busted my balls to get my certifications many years ago. I did them too early in my career really. I wanted them at the time and worked hard for them. Then I got to the point where I realised that I had over-certified myself because I had felt that it was the way to get ahead. That is why I am superbly qualified to assure you that it isn't.

So, in a sentence, what people are trying to tell you is there to help you - not to insult you or humiliate you. Unfortunately after several years of refusing to listen, many people's patience has worn so thin that you aren't going to get an awful lot more help from a bunch of highly experienced and helpful people, which is a shame.

 

Well, business doesn't progress exactly as you told, in my country. Another issue is i feel like i have sunk
in dilemma. To be prepared for the CCNP exam(Most corporation doesn't know which type of guy they need to employ and requires much more than CCNA or they prepare advertisements involving CCNP to eliminate easily) or as an other option, i make a choice about going towards CCNA Security, Voice or Wireless.

Which one would you recommend for me?

 

Network+

 

None of them.

You
Are
Still
Not
Listening

 

Kobem why do you not listen? getting certifications like the CCNA and CCNP and thinking you will be a network engineer is like thinking you can be racing car driver just because you have passed your driving test.

If you really want to be a network engineer you need to get an entry level job and progress into a network engineer role. In order to get a networking job you need the basic fundamentals down in your head. Getting the Network+ certification will help you do this.

My friend Abazi who I mentioned above is working in a networking job in your country he has just passed the network+, he does not have the CCNA he got into networking by working for a large hotel and helping to fix the odd computer problem in the reception area. He got the A+ and found a job for some big corporation in Istanbul working as a junior technician, once he got the network+ which he only passed a few days ago he has now been given network duties such as managing shares, permissions and managing local users.

 

If business doesn't progress exactly as I said, then why are you having such a problem finding a job? You're having a problem finding a job because business DOES progress as I said.

You can disagree with me if you want. But if you don't take my advice, you're going to continue having problems.

See, Kobem, that's where you're not listening. Companies... will... not... hire... people... without... experience... to... administer... Cisco... routers. No matter how many certifications or degrees you have.

None of them. I'd recommend you get the A+, Network+, and MCTS certifications, like we've told you for years.

EDIT: Kobem... if you don't have money for Network+... how do you have the money for CCNA Security, CCNA Voice, or CCNA Wireless? See, your stories do not match. If you have money for one, you have money for the other. The simple truth is... you don't WANT to do the Network+. You haven't wanted to since you appeared on this forum.

 

Haven't you been listening for the past four years!?? Perhaps the reason you are not hearing us is a matter of volume. Lets try this:

NONE!

 

Before everything, i didn't explain that i was senior network tech. In academical career, my degree is known
as senior engineer in other words master of science.

I had studied too much. I had noticed lots of gaps after my first CCNA course, Thats why i had taken
second three years later in 2009. Soon, after a year, i hardly passed CCNA by 949 points OUT OF 1000.
I mean, i stepped back once. But, my mind is now a lot more confused than that year.

 

please read my other post Kobem.

Do you want to be a network engineer?

If you do and this is the last time I going to say this you need to get an entry level job and work your way towards being a network engineer. Having the Network+ certification will help you get an entry level job the CCNA will not.

Are you saying you pass the first CCNA exam in 2006 but didn't pass the second one until 2009?

 

The problem is, you haven't stepped back yet. Studying twice for a certification you shouldn't yet be taking isn't what we mean by "stepping back". You should start at the beginning... not at the CCNA. The CCNA will not get you an IT job.

You will continue to be confused until you listen to what we have been telling you for years. Wipe clear all the things you THINK you know about IT and about getting an IT job. The path you are on is not the path into IT. And until you stop arguing and start listening, you will continue to struggle.

 

My honest opinion is that this guy is deliberately winding people up. I don't believe that he is putting quotes like the above as a serious question. I think he has done it to get a reaction on purpose. Kobem If you are for real (and I have my doubts) and you have any sense then you know from people's answers that doing a CCNP is pointless when you don't know the basics. If your not willing/can't learn from the ground up then I really think you need to rethink your choice of career path.

 

You say that i do not and won't listen to you but, you really misunderstand some of my sentences. If you
read carefully also patiently, you will realise that i said CCNA "course" not the exam.

Therefore, if i need to repeat it, my first CCNA course which only just consists of slideshow was in 2006
and my second course(since the first wasted my time and there was no practical exercises.) which
includes both exercises i mean making configurations over real routers and switches supported by terminal
emulation applications such as secureCRT and hyperterminal, and theoretical learning in 2009.

 

I think you need to read the inspiring story in this thread BM. It is in no way fishy at all, but I think the humble pie you will be eating could be! This guy took his CCNA, has no experience. Rang around a few companies, then a few days later walked into Network Engineers role. I expect his brand new company car will follow shortly ...

 

Yes but you clearly have also shown your level of knowledge is below that of what we would expect a CCNA certified person to have. You have to be honest with yourself and say you are clearly lacking the basics hence why I suggested the A+ and Network+ to fill those gaps in.

 

heehee!

Be sure to have him pour you a beer on my behalf. ;)

 

It doesn't matter whether you took a CCNA course, sat the CCNA exam, had dinner with a CCNA instructor, or wrote a CCNA book from scratch. The CCNA will not get you an IT job.

You need to start at the beginning. This is what I will continue to post to you until you understand what we are telling you.

 

i am tired of the discussion. Let me relax a little bit.