HAs texting destroyed the way people should write?

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Nope. Didn't miss your point at all. I understand your paradigm. I've been there and done that. I've also learned it's a faulty paradigm. You're missing my point because your mind is closed to all other paradigms but your own.

To try to understand my paradigm think about why you don't force your grandmother to learn text speak to communicate you with you. It's not just an accident that you do not choose text speak with your grandmother. That decision has its roots in love and respect for your grandmother. You choose to communicate with her in a manner which she readily understands because it would be absolutely rude of you to try to force her to learn text speak just to communicate with you.

Also, respect for a manager has more to do than with whatever you think about a manager personally. It's the respect for the position and the authority the manager has over you that causes you not use text speak him or her. If you didn't care one way or the other that a manager has power over you, you wouldn't think twice about using text speak with one.

Like I said, I didn't know anything at all about respect at your age, and you don't seem to understand it right now either. And, I said I had no respect for others or myself because I couldn't. I didn't understand what respect really was, so it was an impossibility for me to have it. No one can implement something they don't understand.

 

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All i will do is quote what i said in one line, because its obviously not working me drumming on for 2 paragraphs..

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Ill tell you right now i do not respect him/her at all. They do not act as a manager, they pass on rumours, talk rubbish about people behind their back etc etc. I do not respect him/her. I ACKNOWLEDGE the position they are in though...THAT is the main difference. I guess you could call that a form of respect (trying to understand your point), but that brings me back to what i mentioned earlier about the different levels of respect.
Futher to this issue, im not going to try and make it personal as you have tried to do freeloader, but i will say it shows alot about you with unjustified comments you make.

Like BM said, everyone does not agree or understand, or agree TO understand the same issues in re to morals and principles of life, maybe you should realise that and stop trying to tell people what kind of respect they hold for themselves as a person.In your eyes your comments are obviously justified, but to make that sort of assumption over an internet forum....to someone you have barely spoken to over the 2 months i have been here..? Well i think that speaks for itself in re to respect and other forms of morality.

Another factor, you could argue....do you find it "disrespectful" because you do not understand it? Do you find someone who talks about quantum physics in your presence disrespectful because you do not understand it? I know not the point here, but just wanted your take on that.

 

Bm- i understand your point, but your example of a UNI degree...? My point was based on understanding the audience i am writing to. Im assuming your point was it is based on the perception of the recipient, which if you read my post, is exactly the point i was making...so essentially, we are in agreement. ie: my family may receive text speak sometimes, my friends may too, my collegues do not, because i do not know if they will understand etc etc...

Yes...i dont disagree with that either. My other point about perception, is that the same can be said for these forums...it is not up to me nor my fault in re to how people perceive things. People can perceive things in about a thousand different ways...saying that, we can do what we can, do make sure they understand it in the way we intended it to...hence why i use text speak only in certain situations, but thats more for a sort of comprehension type thing, more so than to do with respect.

How can you respect someone you do not know? I have consideration for others, but respect is earnt, it is not a given right imo.
You notice how i put IMO after most of my opinions....because they are exactly that...my opinions, disagree if you will, but dont get personal ( a general comment as opposed to directed at you BM)

 

I'm not sure what you're referring to as "unjustified comments", but I'll just agree to disagree with you after I say one more thing.

When I was 18-21 years of age my old man was probably the most ignorant person I had ever met. By the time I'd turned 30 he had learned an amazing amount. He wasn't nearly as stupid as he was before. Now that I'm in my 50's I have to say my old man has learned even more, even though he passed away some years back.

Certain things can't be understood without the passage time and the experience that comes with age. Telling a young buck that that his mind is closed to a paradigm he can't see isn't an insult, it's just the truth.

All of us have problems grasping certain paradigms. That's just the way we human beings are. Some will grasp a certain paradigm much easier than another will, and vice versa. It's extremely difficult to take off our blinders because they color the world the only way we know it. That makes it very difficult to see something outside our own perception of reality.

 

That last paragraph i agree with totally. The problem is, distinguish what way we should be seeing this world in. Thats the issue, and your comments apply to you just as much as they apply to me. As you say, people's take on the world is different, that includes the agro we have discussed in re to respect. I can happily say though that if the way you believe is to be true in re to respect, then carry on, and i will carry on with my thoughts on it.
I feel there is no right and wrong here, more so a different take, but you can't say "its something that comes with age", because to me thats rubbish...age does NOT automatically help you see the world the way you should in re to principles and morals. Immaturity and ignorance exists at all ages...from 1-101.

 

well put. My thoughts are pretty much summed up in the very well put post you have typed up. Rep for that. So give us an insight on how whether or not you see it as a lack of respect? Which seems to be the debate im having with ffreeloader...perhaps you could take over from here...
Bits in bold above are the points i was trying to put across.

 

Respecting your managers abilities, morals, or attitudes has nothing to do with the respect you have for his position. And you do respect his position, if for no other reason than he can fire you. You might not think that's respect... but it is.

Again, I realize that you don't respect HIM. But you do respect his position. That's still respect.

What you are not yet understanding is this... if someone thinks you are disrespecting them, it doesn't matter whether you believe you are being respectful or not.

Doesn't matter whether he understands it or not. If someone doesn't "understand" texting, that's not a shortcoming on HIS part.

In a forum where people aren't expected to know quantum physics, and answering a question that is not related to quantum physics, then yes, I might find that disrespectful, particularly if it can be reasonably expected that I don't understand quantum physics (I do, but that's not the point). Knowing your audience is a key to communicating effectively.

 

lol...is there anything you two DONT find disrespectful?
Im done with this, for no other reason than its just looping around in circles. I am trying to understand your points on this, but fail to see how the two are linked....that being tx speak & respect. Like i said, if you feel that's the way it is then that's all gravy for you. I happen to disagree and ill leave it at that.

 

Disagree, completely. It *is* up to you - you can make every effort to speak in a manner where your audience - even a forum audience - can accept it and understand it. If I spoke in txt here, and took the attitude of, "It's not MY fault you guys don't get it!"... I wouldn't last here very long.

Yes, people can perceive things a thousand different ways. And nobody can please everybody. But the burden is upon each of us to make an effort to communicate using an acceptable method. If I talked over you guys' heads constantly, it's not YOUR fault for lacking the knowledge or ability to understand. If I spoke in Chinese, it's not YOUR fault for not being able to speak Chinese. If I spoke using American slang, it's not YOUR fault that you don't understand what the heck I'm saying. It is MY fault for not trying harder to speak in terms that you understand.

Dude, I'm not saying that you shouldn't use txt speak. I'm merely saying that it *is* up to you to communicate effectively. It's not someone else's fault when they can't understand you.

I respect everyone I do not know. One does not lose my respect until I find them unworthy of my respect... and I can't do that until I know something about them that causes me to no longer respect them.

 

Go to extremes much?

 

I wish I was 23 again. I thought I knew everything! ah, those were the days.

When you are 43, I hope you remember what you said in this post.

 

In re to the WHOLE of that rant...i like how you failed to include the bit that pretty much answered your whole complaint on the above...it was right in there with everything ELSE you quoted...i fail to see how you missed it tbh (to be honest )

 

Are you always this bitter?

I have said all i have to say about this...you can carry on trying to disect my posts with every crevise you can find, but it doesnt change the fact that i think you're wrong in this instance...just accept it and move on.
I have explained why im not carrying on with this debate because its obviously just coming down to personal (not to mention unjustified) comments in regards to my age, and i wont get drawn into some battle of the ages with you BM.
Have a nice day

 

Might be worth leaving this thread where it is guys, this is one of those cases where you won't even budge the other persons view point. Regardless of how logical or well thought out, your arguements are. Might be worth just leaving it there. As long as there is something the other person perceives as a backhanded insult in your post this could go on forever.

I won't add my opinions on this

 

Text speak has changed the way we write, but it is, by no means, destroying it.

I agree that language changes, but I think there is a time & a place for txt speak and it isn't on a forum when you are dealing with someone you might end up working with or for.

Because people are growing up with texting as a form of communicating it is taking over properly stated English because it's easier & quicker to type "Hiya m8" instead of "Hiya mate".

It could be that this is always the way they communicate 99% of their time and I don't belive that respect has anything to do with it, but I do think that it is laziness, as I said above it's easier and quicker.

Good point

I think its destroying the way the youth of today commucate, we get a lot of kids working casual hours at my work who are around the 16 - 18 year old mark and a lot of them can't spell basic words, they have no sense of breaking up a document into paragraphs and so on and so on. It makes me wonder what they are teaching the kids at school.

You could very well be right

No need for that, you made some good comments

 

Arr, I know you are a writer and you do it beautifully I must say. So let me ask you, as one who takes the written word very seriously does it drive you batty to see someone like, oh lets say ME! Slaughter the written word as I've been know to do once in a great while. Or to see text speak where it really has no place being?

 

I have yet to begin ranting.

 

No, not bitter at all. Just amazes me to see your lack of logic.

 

Perhaps you edited it as I was typing my response. Again... not my fault, mate. I didn't selectively remove it, if that's what you're implying.