God it's hard to get a job with no hands on!!!!!!

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sakuraba1982 don't give up. I have employed a number of desktop engineers and first line helpdesk techs and my experience is technical knowledge does have a slight bearing but work ethic and how you come across in the interview are key. I know the network and design at my place is very different to many other setups and as when I started have to be virtually re-learned anyway. (I'm sure it's same at many large companies)

My advice to you is keep plugging away and keep going for those IT jobs (to get your foot in the door) With your A+ and soon N+ even with no practical experience you are still more certified than many of my collegues.

Get as much practice with PC's as you can and soon you'll get your break into IT.

 

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Then offer employers more value for less money. Get your foothold in IT, gain experience, then leverage that experience into a better opportunity with a better salary!

 

Erm Michael, the job that he went for was a Production Manager, which is presumably something to do with producing the publication.....

 

Gotcha. Edited previous post.

 

so the general feeling is that with so many companies willing to train people for a fee i.e skills train , advent etc

employers expect these things now

I saw an MCSE engineer for 14 k the other day advertised

 

You're absolutely right. If anyone can produce a publication and administer servers at the same time, I would gladly lend them my Smash Hits 24 CD and wouldn't be offended if I never got it back again, I'd be in such awe.

The problem here was that the company were based in America and had a recruitment rep over here to set up the London office, who clearly had no idea of the difference between print production and IT. I think they thought that if you knew how to operate a computer, you knew how to manage a whole network and that it is mostly self sufficient, which you don't need me to tell you is utter balderdash

 

Just spoke to an IT recruiter on the phone who stated that employers will not be impressed by an A+ or N+ cert but also stated that it was not worth doing the MCSE unless i had 2 years in a job,

I'm starting to see a pattern here!!!

 

Personally I wouldn't listen to agencies as they are only interested in getting money for the most part. I once was turned down for a job due to not being qualified enough by an agency and on the otherhand was offered a job interview from a company directly and also invited to interview from two other agencies for an interview. What they had in common was that they were for the same job. So don't take what they say as gospel.

 

ps sorry to vent guys n gals but this seems to be the only place where people seem to know what i am going through!!!!

 

Just keep plugging away mate and you will get your break in IT. I was in the same position as you 3 years ago and took a junior position and quickly that turned into a good job where my wage has increased by 75% in 2 years and will continue to go up with time and experience/certs. I work for a big law firm and have a good career but it took time and a lot of rejections.

 

i suppose its about not losing the faith

 

I disagree with the recruiter with regards to the A+/N+. I'd be very interested in an entry-level person with the A+ or N+.

That said, an entry-level person with an MCSE raises red flags in my mind. I agree with the recruiter in that you should have experience before pursuing the MCSE.

 

i agree that i will not pursue my mcse until i have a job all i need is someone who will give me a chance now

 

I agree to a certain extent.

An apprenticeship is someone (usually a school leaver, but not always) who is willing to work for bladders in the exchange of working with a skilled tradesman for several years and gain his knowledge and skills - something you have for life.

I was lucky because I worked for a a big motor manufacturer who had a big budget for training, which paid the highest crap wage (if that makes sense), proper training at the workplace and loads of manufacturer training which involved lots of staying away in nice hotels, company cars and even the odd trip to France!

Maybe if some of these providers (or even individuals) provided services like this, there would be less people who have a *shopping list* of certification, yet no *Work experience*.

 

I think the problem is that no employer wants to put out the expense when they can either employ someone who has been in the trades for a while or someone who has funded themselves

 

True.

This is partly due to the education system. There was a time when people *who could make it* went to university. Everyone else, or people who didn't want to carry on with education learnt a trade, skill or maybe started a non skilled job.

Now, everyone seems to be going to university to do a degree in Eastenders or maybe something that is worth doing like medicine or computer science hence the lack of tradesmen.

This is why people are waiting a fortnight to have their leaking taps fixed or three weeks for their car to be repaired.

Companies know this and are prepared to go that little bit further.

Best of luck, let us know how you get on.

 

Talking from a change of career prospective, most things are hard to start off.

As pointed out, most employers want people who can cook on gas on day one. This is fine, but what happens when the older generation retire? As long as technology continues to boom, (is there any reason it shouldn't?) everyone should be soaked up.