Getting Further in IT

Discussion in 'Training & Development' started by JK, Mar 11, 2004.

  1. JK

    JK Bit Poster

    I would appreciate from people with experience to advice me would the training in MCSE or Web design-developer lead into employment in the UK. There are quite a few training companies in the UK promising employment after training. Some of them even promise to refund the fee as a job guarantee.

    Do you have any experience about it? What is the situation in the UK
    regarding employment as MCSE, MCSD or Web designer/developer? Could training companies be believed?

    I would appreciate if you can help me with information.

  2. tripwire45
    Honorary Member

    tripwire45 Zettabyte Poster

    I think the key to getting further in IT regardless of whether it's in the UK or anywhere else, is to pick an area that your really love and you're good at and pursue it with a vengence. MCSE versus Web developer seems like two very different paths. I wouldn't necessarily make a career decision based on which one paid more or which one "went further". Which one do you want to do? Which one "lights your fire" so to speak?

    Training companies will say what they have to say to get people to sign up for their programs. That's how they make their money. I'd do a little independent investigation to see if there's anything to back up their claims. I'm not saying that every recruiter is a lying SOB, but don't take them all at face value, either and definiately don't let them decide your career path for you. Heck, Mike Meyers built a huge career out of basically being a hardware jockey. Pretty modest stuff on the surface, but it worked for him. The immediately obvious choice isn't always what will pay off in the end. Food for thought.
    Certifications: A+ and Network+
  3. JK

    JK Bit Poster

    To be honest I was just asking the question to suss you guys out, after reading a few of the posts here I thought I'd see what kind of replies I got and from what viewpoint they would come from.

    To be honest I would have expected a few more replies from the regulars here as this is a newish forum but as Tripwire45 was the only one to post I must conclude that apathy has taken over the staff in this forum and they just cant be a***d
  4. Jakamoko
    Honorary Member

    Jakamoko On the move again ...

    I have to defend the postion of ALL our Members, not just the staff, in light of your comments above, JK.

    In fairness, the last 7-10 days has seen a sudden and large increase in the number of new Members we have joining CertForums, and as such, has involved those Members (yourself included) quite naturally making several similar posts on several subjects across several of our Forums.

    As a result, and bearing in mind that those who do staff these Forums do so entirely voluntarily and within the spare time they have, it is surely understandable if not every new post receives everyone's full attentions.

    I will apologise on behalf of the staff here at CertForums, but I would also ask you that you adopt a more understanding manner in situations such as this. You are fully entitled to air you views and opinions here - that is what we encourage, but if these border on becoming offensive then they will not be tolerated.

    If you want to air any grievances further, then please feel free to PM myself or any other Staff Members.
    Certifications: MCP, A+, Network+
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  5. Japes

    Japes Bit Poster


    I read your post and Tripwire's responce and thought, yup that covers it.

    Without knowing more about where you are now and what you really want to do, IMHO there is little that anyone could have added.....

    With that in mind, what would you like to be doing in IT in 3 to 5 years? Because if its web dev work then an MCSE is not going to open the doors, but Java skills will.... see where I'm coming from.
    I personally haven't had any expriences with the type of training company you mention and never will, again IMHO any promise like that isn't wrth the paper its written on...
  6. Japes

    Japes Bit Poster

    but isn't that exactly what you did when you said...
    Looking at this thread I would say that you got what you deserved, becuase if you make a public comment expect people to reply in public. In your eyes the mods were "heavy handed" to me that wasn't the case. Remember its not just you who is sussing people out, everyone here is doing just that with every newbie here. If you want respect, then (and here's a free life lesson for everyone) your going to have to earn it. No-one is going to give you respect with out being shown its deserved.

    Let me be completly honest (and this is only my opinion) you come across as teenager. In the new members forum you say you've been in IT for 5 years and then here you ask a question, get a responce and then complain about not getting enough of a responce. May I suggest supplying more info for people to be able to give you informed help. If you'd come back to Tripwire and said, ok....mmmm XYZ is where I want to go, then he or someone else may have given you more directed help.
  7. AJ

    AJ 01000001 01100100 01101101 01101001 01101110 Administrator


    I gotta agree with you. This is a public forum and if you post then you gotta put up with the reply, IN PUBLIC.

    However, this is what I would phrase as a friendly forum. We are all here for the benifit of each other and everyone should be able to post on any subject no matter how trivial that should sound to anyone else.

    I must give my full backing to Gav and the Mods as, in my opinion, they do a fantastic job of keeping us all on track, esp as this is all on a voluntary basis.

    If you post, it has got to be understood that it is up to other members to reply if they feel they want to. It is not up to the mods to reply to every single post that is put up. So if your post is not replyed to then post again, re-phrase it and try again. It's no good blaiming the forum if no-one replys. Look at previous posting to see how many have only 1 or 2 replys.

    Anyway thats my 2 shillings worth.
    Certifications: MCSE, MCSA (messaging), ITIL Foundation v3
    WIP: Breathing in and out, but not out and in, that's just wrong
  8. Japes

    Japes Bit Poster


    My reply was to a post that seems to have gone missing (posiable the mods or JK has removed it) or I'm starting to see things that aren't there :eek:. I only say this because reading my last post by its self does look "out of place".

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