Firefox myths...

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Ditto.
I haven't seen any problems with IE7 but I absolutely prefer FF. Too bad my company doesn't feel the same way .
It's IE or no browsing for me

 

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I use what I have to support, so yes, I use IE by choice.

Try locking down Firefox on your user's workstations and you'll see how quickly IE with GPOs can actually become an administrator's best friend.

 

well atleast I won't have to suffer all the time since the only time I will open it is for testing purposes.

And it is your opinion that it is a superior browser not mine and I'm not sure as to safer since lately there have been fixes for it because it can be hacked. IT is not perfect so stop actting like it is.

 

That is just the point. They fix it instead of letting problems in the code linger for years on end. And the US government has declared IE unsafe due to unpatched holes. Also, the consensus among security experts is that FireFox is more secure. You are just stubborn, but that is part of your charm.

 

Oh yes, we all know our goverment is a reliable source.

 

how interesting. because of course FF is fully standards compliant

Superior and safer - the evidence on the OP's link indicates otherwise. All nicely backed up with evidence. I'm happy to reconsider the evidence provided on the original site if you can supply me with evidence that it is indeed superior and safer.

 

I think the fact is people were sick of IE not many had heard of Opera and Netscape was just about dead, so some people put all the best bit of those browsers together and came up with Firefox, but no browser is safe from vunerabilities and attacks.

 

but that doesnt make FF more secure, or superior, or better in any way. it makes it different. and not even so different these days.

 

that was my point, I just prefer FF.

 

dont forget, there are 2 different types of standards:
'Standards' written by ubergeeks over many years, which could end up breaking everything
'standards' used by the majority of people for the majority of things

when creating web sites, you should do so for the majority of users, as in the widest possible audience, so you use 'standards', ie create for IE, but also make sure it works in other browsers, firefox & safari. opera is almost non-existant.

Dont forget that the code base for IE pre-dates most of firefox, so their is a bigger legacy of 'non-Standards' compliant code etc.

MS Expression Web produces Standards based code, so well have to see what IE8 does.

 

You do remember pre firefox as well don't you when it was part of netscape?

IE has never been compliant to the standards, so don't bring 'ubergeek' into it.

Microsoft have always gone against the flow and created their own standards.

 

I never said that IE was standards compliant. But nor is FF.

Edit: Never mind. thought your post was directed at me.

 

Netscape wasnt 'Standards' compliant either

If your building or designing a website, you have to keep 'Standards' in mind, but you also want as many people as possible to be able to access & use your site, especially if it is a commercial site. So you use 'Standards' to the point where they dont break in IE 6/7 or Firefox or Safari. Are you just going to ignore 75% of the world? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Browser_stats

 

So why are people having to hack their websites to make them work in IE?

 

Because there's too many d*mn people out there who don't use FF!

If you look at Fergal's link above, you'll see how poorly IE handles most aspects of CSS, despite increasing numbers of websites and designers using CSS-driven sites rather than clunky HTML.

 

yaaaaaawn.

Another snoozefest about Ms vs IE

Firstly, the standards-compliance thing. Yes IE is non W3C compliant. So if Firefox.

This is the ACID test taken in my vanilla install of IE:

This is the test taken in Firefox 2.0:

This is the reference image for the test:

As you can see, neither of these browsers is W3C compliant.

Moving onto the argument about whether Firefox is 'better' than IE. This is a nonsense argument - its like saying a Ferrari is 'better' than an Aston Martin, or that Diego Maradona was a 'better' footballer than Lionel Messi, or that hot dogs are 'better' than cheeseburgers. For the home user, its a matter of personal preference. If you like Firefox - great! If you like IE - great! Personally, I use FF at home for the majority of my browsing because I am used to it, it does what I know and expect from a browser and I love the bookmarks toolbar. However, there are still some bugs in it that piss me off, and occasionally I'll use IE because of them.

The security argument is also daft. Yes, up until IE6 SP1, Microsoft's browser had holes you could drive a truck through. So did Firefox up until v 2.0. Yes there are still some bugs in IE7. There are still some bugs in FF 2 as well. Reading between the lines of the post by one poster on this thread (I forget who) Microsoft is just 'sitting on' some serious bugs in the IE code, whilst the FF devs are hurtling full pelt towards fixing every single security aspect of their browser as soon as it is either revealed to them by the extensive community of White Hat Hackers dedicated to revealing bugs in FF code so that it can be patched as soon as possible For The Good Of Mankind, or their team of thousands of highly-skilled monkeys bashing away at keyboards trying to 'break' their browser. Utter tripe - I personally am aware of three long-standing (over 12 months) and potentially serious vulnerabilities in FF that have been POCd by pen testers yet not fixed by the FF devs. Similarly - and by a quite extraordinary coincidence, I'm also aware of three vulns for IE that you could say the same thing about (although, admittedly, one of them has been around for about two years now). By far the greatest threat to Internet users today arises not from bugs in browser code, but from shoddily designed web apps that leave them open to XSS or credential theft from SQL Injection.

Want to deploy FF to 'normal' users in your workplace. Good luck with that. Must be fun for you having to visit 1500 workstations to lock down FF individually. Personally, I'll stick with IE for my users thanks - much nicer for me to be able to make the change in fifteen seconds flat and push it out across my infrastructure via GPOs in under a minute.

There IS no argument here. Browser use is now personal preference. Neither browser is more insecure than the other, both do a reasonably decent job of rendering the vast majority of sites out there and any user can download FF and use it instead of IE (my Mum did it for God's sake) so the argument about MS foisting it on Windows users is dead in the water as well. Lets not turn this forum into a bunch of fanboys bitching at each other eh?