Braindumps found on works computer!

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  1. westernkings

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    That's because GBL the sex pest is always breathing down their necks and luring at them lol :biggrin
     
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  2. greenbrucelee
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    where else would I be looking :D

    I am not like that really I think she wears tops that she cant do up properly on purpose.
     
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    I agree with Dazza. If she isn't in IT she "may" not have any clue how bad BD's are, which is why I never flame people for asking about them. Some people really don't know why they defeat the point of certification, which is to prove your experience and knowledge in a subject.

    I'm sorry if some have been offended by people talking about this womans looks. I have no problem with it at all. You should see my office, innuendo and banter galore, helps get through the more stressful days. Just putting that out there.

    Jim

    PS It would depend on my job title/responsibilities as to what I'd of done about the files. Wintel or desktop, probably nothing, IT Sec, politely email her to remove them as they break the NDA of X companies intellectual property who you will no doubt have software licences with. My 2 cents as I've not been in that situ TBH
     
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    I think, that an important distinction needs to be made here. Owning/Using BD materials are not illegal, they are a breach of the contract with the provider. That makes it a civil matter, not a criminal one. The Providers are within their rights to pursue people using these materials using their own internal procedures (such as banning), or pursuing it through the civil courts, but it is not really a matter that will see you led away in chains. They are even within their rights to pursue the people who sell this material as it is breach of copyright.

    At the end of the day, they are just documents, and your employer would be hard pushed to actually justify disciplinary action against someone possessing this material. They are, however, far more likely to be able to pin a breach of privacy onto you. Criminal matters (such as child porn) would usually see these kind of things waived, but snooping without sanction from HR (and even then it has to be carefully done) is, in fact, a breach of copyright. Even if there are clauses in the contract stating that the IT equipment belongs to the company, it doesn't waive these rules (Certainly not in the UK at any rate).
     
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    I agree, infact I wouldn't even mention it to the boss for fear of exactly that.

    Seeing if a system is working is just that, you see if the OS boots, that the directory structure is all there and that is that, any thing further can be construed as gross misconduct and could get you fired, she may only be the admin girl but what happens if you're asked to repair the CEO's hdd? or the CFO? or head of HR?, you get my meaning? you have breached the trust that's expected of you by simply looking at the files inside that folder.

    I would walk away and keep quiet.
     
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  6. greenbrucelee
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    well I have mentioned since she is going for the position in IT and claims to have the A+,network+, MCDST and 70-270 which were all on here computer. THe manager has not mentioned anything going against me for finding those PDFs.

    He has told me that he plans to give her a proper technical interview to see what she really knows.
     
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  7. michael78

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    leave well a lone mate and forget about it. As pointed out depending on your company they may take a dim view of you going though her files. I wouldn't of even of told your manager tbh. She may or may not of used them brain dumps and you could of messed her chances of getting that job.
     
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    I think it's quite nice to see us all defending a braindumper for a change.

    We normally get so worked up about it...

    :biggrin
     
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  9. Josiahb

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    Technically we're not defending braindumping, we're defending privacy, braindumping is still bad 'mmmkay :p
     
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    With any luck he'll ask her a few simple questions and she'll falter. Then he can ask "oh, I thought you were an MCP? This is simple stuff that any MCP should know. How did you pass if you didn't know that?"

    If she's honest she'll mention the BDs and then he can gently explain why BDs are for cheats and losers.

    Hopefully she's salvageable.

    On the other hand, as others have mentioned, perhaps she hasn't used the BDs and has actually revised in the correct way. Provided the interviewer is fair and asks some reasonable questions she should be able to demonstrate if she's actually learnt the material.

    I would hope that any interviewer would ask technical questions to someone who has certs.

    Let's face it, if you've got a cert that you earned through honest means you shouldn't be afraid to answer questions in an interview.

    If every interviewer asked some decent probing questions then we wouldn't have a problem with braindumpers and paper MCSEs.
     
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    I'd hope any interviewer would ask technical questions whether a tech was certified or not, there are still a fair few wasters floating around who have managed to gather enough CV fluff to make them look impressive (normally by overstating their usefulness in any given job/project) without holding any certs at all.
     
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    I agree that the majority of braindumpers would be spotted at the interview stage, but formulating a set of decent probing questions for every position would probably take more time and resources than most companies feel it is worth. I assume that's how braindumpers manage to get employed.
     
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    Yeah well this is it, she "may" find out first hand why cheating defeats the point of sitting the exams. I personally wouldn't set myself up for a fall like that 8)
     
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    I'm not defending brain dumping but unless you have all the facts and know for certain she used them to gain them certs then it's best left alone as it would be difficult to bring the subject up without her knowing you went through her folders possibly leading to disciplinary action. If she is clueless then she will get caught out.
     
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    I am, of course, just teasing. :biggrin
     
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  16. greenbrucelee
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    Well the manager has just informed me that she has admitted knowing what braindumps are and knowing that TK are braindump providers. Apparently she said that she hasn't had time to study and she used them as a quick guide to help her get where she wants to get.

    My manager said she wont get where she wants here.

    So case closed.:D

    And nothing has been said about me finding them.
     
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  17. Theprof

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    Point her to CF.... if she's serious about getting into IT maybe she just needs guidance and help. After all we don't know her situation... for all we know she might know very little about the certification world and what certifications are meant for.
     
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    Perhaps best to avoid pointing her in this direction considering some of the comments made earlier.
     
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    Would that be the comments on her physical appearance or the comments which reveal GBL as the source of her missed opportunity?

    Both are fairly bad for someone to see, so probably best left alone!
     
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    So that's a minefield that's been avoided then?
     
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