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  1. IIIusion

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    I am currently training with Advent so thought I would give you my breakdown of them

    The Sign Up

    An "older" guy went straight for the hard sell of how good it was and how easy it would be for me to get the jobs listed on the magazines etc ( 35k+ ) Once I have my mcse.
    Now for me this was not a problem as I am pretty comfortable in this situation due to my work so was able to ignore the hard sell and get to the details I wanted. For people less experienced this will certainly be something to look out for. Make sure you dont decide on the day , take some time to examine the course ,ask yourself ..
    * What job do i want to do in 5 years ? and will this certification help me to do that ?
    * How long is it advised to take you to achieve your certs and realistically can you dedicate this amount of time to study ?
    * How much will it cost and can I afford that ?
    * Do I really need the support structure that a Training Provider can offer ? Or shall I try for my first exam on my own and see how it goes , I can always take one up afterwards if I need it. ?


    Another big factor is thinking about how you make your transition into IT , if you have no job right now then this will be less of an issue as for alot like myself I went from a well paid job in a career of 15 years to my first IT post at 10k less a year. This is short term pain for long term gain as I know I will progress much quicker in the IT feild than my previous industry. In 2-3 years ill be earning more than before with more potential to keep going.

    Ok so if you decided to sign up think about how you will pay.

    My advice if it is an option for you of course is to avioud any loans or payment plans . I paid for mine on a 0%credit card , this meant I could pay off a few hundred a month and have no fees rack up. The card gave me 6 months so in the 5th month I started hunting for a new card I stumbled upon the Abbey Zero Card which enabled me to move my remaning balance with no fees to this card for a further 6 months of interest free payents. Hopefully I can do the same again in 6 months but worst case senario i might have to pay a transfer fee ( maybe £50-£100 which will be added to the balance ) but this will still certainly be cheaper than a loan.

    If this is a route you wanna go down ..remeber : Always make the minimum ( or more ) payment on time each month and close the account down once you move the balance as this keeps your credit in healthy shape as having lots of cards even if there is no balance is not a great thing.

    What you get

    For the MCSE the path that they choose is ..

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    as there are different electives that could be chosen. This is the path as it was when I signed up in October

    For each module you get the the official microsoft press books.
    These are big ( make sure you have a strong bookself )

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    You will not get these all at once but the book for the current unit you study.
    For the comptia a+ course they use an advent made book for each module. These look like they have been directly cut and paste from some online material as there are certain points where the book says " click here "
    Advent then throw in summary questions ( I emailed them querying the answers for 2 of these questions for them to acknowledge that the book was incorrect and they would have it changed in all future publications )

    You also get a trancender exam preparation CD. ( first few I didnt get till I was at the training centre , but last few I have gotten with my press books at the start of the module )

    They request that you attend a 2 day course per module at there base in Birmingham. This is a newly build office where they have lots of labs, and now even a testing centre. Unwinding between lessons can be fun as Kam ( one of the trainers ) will always try to find some football on the 50" HD plasma on the wall in the break room. There are also 3-4 internet ready comps if you wanna google or check your mail.

    One thing to watch out for - Birmingham is the only location for these courses , if it is not possible for you to get to there and attend the 2 day course then maybe think again. I have always ended up stopping over as there is no point travelling back in the night for me. They provide a list of local places to stay.
    I would recommend a little B&B called " Victoria House " dont expect too much and you wont be disappointed. For about £30 you get a double bed and breakfast in a clean pleasent environment. Right next to train station and 5 mins walk from the advent building.

    For every course I attend I am spending about £100 so over the 11 exams this will be another £1000 ish. Obviously this may be spread over a good few years. Just thing to remember that is not always highlighted.

    What works well and what doesnt


    Material is great , delivered prompt with additional support information.
    Transcender exam prep material.1 Exam pack per module. Which I find pitched at a great level , not too easy giving you false hope but also not too hard that it knocks your confidence. Great tool that will help you take mock exams and also then provide you with a breakdown on what/how and why to learn.

    They have a mentor system whereby you can email them various questions , this is have done and always get a reply within a few hours , most of the time within 10-15 minutes.

    The courses are fab , fast paced , to the point , great tutors in a good environment.

    What doesnt work well

    I get the impression that the company is split into two areas , the training and the recruitment side.
    Whilst the training is bang on the money I cant help but feel let down by the recruitment side.
    Yes they will do what they say , they will help you find a job , but dont take that too literally. They will email you an odd vacancy , for me that is 2 in 6 months. 1 job was in Birmingham , ( 100 miles from where I live ) the other job was ok.
    There is still alot of work from what I can see to get this side of thing upto the level that the training is at.

    Summary

    My personal opinion is that I wouldnt change what I have done , I am delighted with Advent ( training side ) as I do need the help and support that they have offered.
    I have been smart about how I use them and how I pay for it.

    Please just be realistic in what you expect them to do.. you wont find an employer ( worth any salt ) who will give you an MCSE grade role with no experience , so remember this when your signing up , you should be thinking about working your way up by earning a few certs at a time then getting the exerience to solidify your knowledge of them and then move on.

    Read other forums , pm people who have been there and done it, dont get all blurry eyed at the thought of your next job being £35k it probably wont. It might be half of that as you may only be half way certified , then as you build up your salary and experience will rise.

    Some people say where does your 4.5k go ?
    Here is a rough breakdown as I see it.

    Trancender pack for every module - £80 x 11 = £880
    Microsoft Press Books - 9 x £35 = £315 ( Prices vary depending on retailer , £25 cheapest I could see , some at £45 )
    Exam Fees - 11 X £100 = £1100 ( Assuming you pass 1st time otherwise resits are all included too no extra cost )
    12 Days worth of training = ? Lets guess at £50 a day - less than £10 an hour !!! £1100 ( How much would you pay for classroom based trainining all my classes have had less than 10 people in there - there is also food and drinks provided too !! )
    Online mock exams they ask you to take before your main exam to make sure your reasy and give you more direction on where to focus your learning. - ? £10 per mock exam ? might be much more = £110

    Im sure Im forgetting other things but just what I have listed is around the - £3.6k mark.

    So now factor in that this is a business and you are paying for a serivce , for there staff , rates , taxes , then yeah you aint gonna get all this for cost. So the way I have worked it out is that I have paid them 1k in " profit " to deliver what I want.
    Please feel free to correct me.
    Yes I know I could maybe ebay the books slightly cheaper , but seriously I dont want the hassle , let them send me it without asking. What if I do it all myself and get stuck on an exam and need to resit it 3-4 times , there £400 on 1 exam ?
    Its all swings and round abouts.

    I hope that this may be helpful , tis just my opinion of my provider , alot of good stuff , some poor bits but overall a good service if it fits your needs. If it doesnt then choose what does.

    III
     
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  2. Gingerdave

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    Thanks for that breakdown Illusion, I agree with a large amount of what you said, I would also recommend the Bewdley Hill House, also about £30 per night and about a 10 minute walk from the training centre.

    I have to say that credit cards may not be the best option, if like me, you credit history isn't quite as rosy then a Career Development loan may be better, this is a government scheme where they lend you the money and pick up the interest for two years, there is no repayments in that time and then after that time you can have up to 5 years to pay it off and it sits at about 6% works out slightly more but if you are strapped in the short term it is worth a look.
     
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  3. kevicho

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    Thanks illusion, i think that must be the first post to give good reasons to do training with a company such as this that ive seen.

    I think for some people it would be a valid option, but I will continue to preach self learning for a number of reasons below

    * cost - as you say they are a business and need to make profit, a grand is still a grand

    * equipment - if you save the money for the training and use it to purchase what you need then it is yours to keep or sell

    * IT really is a self learning field, literally the learning never stops, sometimes courses are good for the really high end stuff, but id say anything up to MCSE is learnable from books and home labs.

    * When you are on your own you will go out there and learn usually on the the web, which will usually lead you to more real life education, as sometimes the books etc dont give you the full picture.

    * It amazes me when people can go to all the effort to leave their homes and travel long distances yet say they cant revise in the comfort on their own home? Turn off all the tvs, stereos and whatever else, go read in the garden, or setup a little study area.

    But good luck with your course, it sounds like you are approaching it the right way, and hopefully they will deliver :)
     
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  4. IIIusion

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    Yeah agree , my method was of course best for me , I could have gotten a loan , but my own circumstances dictated the options. Each to there own. I guess my advice is to not just jump in and sign up for the first thing you see. Do your shopping around for the best deal.


    Thanks !!! So far so good , got my first IT post the day I past my MCDST , am working towards my MCSA now ( 270 ) , so I know I have a long way to go , but im in this for the long haul. I love IT and I think it shows in the work I do. I love learning and am always asking the IT manager what and why , and he is happy to get me involved in things way above my level... BRING IT ON !!!

    III
     
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  5. BosonMichael
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    Dude... instructors don't work for free, and they're not cheap. If you want a good instructor, you have to pay good money for him/her. 8)
     
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    Perhaps you need a training provider's course on how to create polls. :twisted:

    Sorry, couldn't resist! :p Just a joke... no harm meant. :)
     
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    Is that the CreatePoll+ ? :biggrin

    <gets coat and leaves> :oops:
     
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    If there's enough demand, I'll have to create a product for it. :p
     
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  9. mickaveli2001

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    I phoned up Advent due to an advert I saw in the paper. This was the first of my interest within IT, and was informed about a guy coming to my house to "advise" me on courses, and discuss further... He never showed. I called up querying it, and another day/time was booked, and again no show whatsoever, so it's safe to say that if they can't even be bothered to show up to get a "sale" then there's no way I'd be paying over &#163;1500 to them when they can't even come to my door from the get go... The 2nd time I phoned up when the guy never showed the first time, I tried to request information over the phone or a pack of what the guy would talk about, but I was only given a day/time for another visit from an adviser.

    I live in Fife, in Scotland, but I was informed there was a guy sited in the area anyway so it wasn't a problem of travel or anything. After that, I looked long and hard at other training providers, and trying to find the cheapest and best course to do as a start, I found ones for a couple hundred pounds, then eventually, came across ILA, and colleges that do the CompTIA A+ for &#163;210, and I opted for this, and looked for information on the CompTIA A+ qualification and came across this site straight after, and then realised I'd be better doing the compTIA A+ myself self study
     
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  10. pfairbrother

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    Faced with a similar dilemma about the type of training provider best for me. I asked myself the question - What am I getting for the money?
    learning resources - i.e. books and CDs, I can buy myself
    tutors online to help - you mean like on CF! :D
    job help and cv writing - I wasn't convinced by their offers of immediate job applications :blink

    So I'm an intelligent guy (Engineering Degree and teacher of GCSE and A Level maths) and surely I am motivated enough to do it myself :biggrin - (only time will tell on that one!:ohmy)

    My advice is - read as many threads on here that you can find associated with finding the RIGHT way for you to learn the stuff.

    Think carefully about the advice....

    and then get on with SELF STUDY :biggrin
     
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  11. toyotagtturbo

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    Iv just read through the whole thread.

    Iv also been thinking about a course with advent, I sent them an email saying I was interested in a career in I.T. next day I received a phone call and they sorted me out with a interview, To cut a long story short I was passed through 2 interviewers and 3 appointments before I saw anyone and even then they were an hour late, This does not really bother me but seems very disorganized.

    The guy interviewing me seemed to know what he was talking about and was very helpful, he helped me to decide exactly what area to go into and decided that the best option for me was MCITP database admin which is the same one arran was told “Advanced Network Specialist, its a 3 year course and cost £5960 ”


    This price did seem a little high but I would have no problem paying it if I knew it was going to lead to a career in I.T, Iv been talking to 3 people I know who have all been in the industry for 15-25 years and they have all said the same. “Its extremely hard to get into the I.T. industry these days and they all said if you do you would be better off doing the common courses not the specialized fields as it restricts the available jobs” The guy interviewing me said the exact opposite to this though, Very confusing but id rather listen to the people I know and trust that are not trying to sell something to me.

    At the end of the day I believe they offer very good training but the sole reason id be training with them is because they told me they could get me a job in I.T. which is from what iv been told be people in the industry the hardest part, so my main concern is paying 6K investing a huge a mount of time to be told by every employer that I do not have enough experience.




    Now the thing that got me is that he told me that I may not be taken on because im 23 and am a NVQ3 qualified electrician have completed my advanced vehicle technician certificate, class 4&7 MOT licence and am currently working for a multimillion superyaught firm as an engineer, He said I may not be taken on because I have done a few professions at a young age that I may complete the course and then change courier again which would damage advents Image, He then went on to say that he will do what he can but only about 1 in 8 people who apply to advent get taken on, I was interviewed yesterday and I’m guessing that I will get taken on, I was also told that I only have 14days to enroll if they accept me, clever tactics.


    The way I see it is the guy who interviews me is contracted by advent (He even told me that) and he works on a enrollment bonus so of course he will try as hard as he can to get me to enroll. He said that if I get this qualification I will be the guy working for a big firm earning 50K+ and will be given the parking space next to the director I will be that important, If it was that easy why is he driving round all over the country at 9pm and not doing the course he is trying to sell me?


    These are just my opinions as I have not completed or even started any training with advent.


    My questions are

    1) Has anyone else been told that they have around a 1:8 of being accepted? I would love to have the next 7 people tell me they were rejected

    And the most important question for us all in my opinion is:

    2) Has anyone managed to get a job through advent with no previous experience? Like I said is I have no problem with the cost, time and hard work but if I cant get a job at the end of it all it would be a huge waste.

    Thanks guys
     
  12. Timostag

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    Hi i know this is a little off topic but i didn't want to start another thread for a similar question but...

    Has anyone heard of Blue Screen IT http://www.bluescreenit.co.uk/courses/mcsa-2003.htm Im quiet interested in there MCSA course as I don't think I would be able to stick with self study for longer than a couple of months before i start to procrastinate, but looking through this forum i am very skeptical about handing over £3000 for a course

    also please take a look at a thread I started http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread27664.html
     
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  13. merlin

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    I must be one of the only I contacted them for advice on there courses I have knowledge of i.t. and servers they recon with 8-10 weeks i could be trained to tia plus and they would find me a job for 18-25k a year while i continue my course witch will only take 2 years to get to mcse and 37k a year I asked could they guarantee a job for me the answer was no although they said its a 97% chance to get me work. on that i will not put any money to them unless they can guarantee me work or i will have to lay out £5450 for this and poss no job to go with it a debt i do not want to carry with me in my present role as a engineer:rolleyes:
    thanks richard (merlin)
     
  14. PinkFloydFan

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    Hey people! I looked at this forum today after receiving a visit from Advent yesterday, and being accepted on to the program today. Actually, while I was reading this thread, the guy rang again to see what I want to do, and even reading this thread, I have decided to go for it. I have designed a few websites, but nothing like the scale of more professional sites, so I'm hoping that Advent will help me with that, and it certainly seems like they will. I have faith in their programme at this stage, and the fact that they have everything in place to help me look for a career, which I really need. My work experience is mainly in call centres. Until recently I had been working for Avon Cosmetics. Was working for them for 2 years, I was facing redundancy but they sacked me for having time off sick. Having had enough of being made redundant, working for b*stards I'd really like to go it alone.

    I must say although I've had 2 phone calls in 2 days I've been very happy with the guy who's taking me through the process. I know he's telling me I could have a job in 2 years at £34k and I'm taking that with a pinch of salt, but being unemployed I have the time and the impetus to put everything into the course and see where it goes. I'm signed up to do CompTIA A+, CIW Associate, CIW Professional, Master CIW Designer and Master Web Site Manager. Sounds right up my street.
     
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  15. final.comp

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    Hi

    New Member on here, but ive been reading your posts on Advent training and was wondering what conclusion the people finding info on the company have achieved. I am actually in the studing for a degree at the moment and due to the difficulties applying for jobs thought about educating a little further.

    I actually didnt have the advent rep come to my house i said id come to there office instead, so i went and was kept waiting for 20mins and then the interview lasted for an hr and 15 in the end he told me about the database and network microsoft qualification combined. He also did tell me about the 97% chance and the 1 in 8 get accepted and 50% have there cvs rejected. However I have recived my letter of confirmation and have about 9 days left to decide if i want to take it up. The price is very steep nearly £6K.

    So my question to you guys would be in one word yes or no would you go for it?

    P.S sorry for the long post and thanks in advance.
     
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    got to say that having just signed up to NITLC im obviously for these TP's but a note of caution i had the advent guy round and lots of sales talk but also useful info and aslong as you think about what they say you can get a good feel. but i had a problem with the two courses i wanted to look at.
    DBA 560 hours 5k nd supported for two years-fair enough.
    MCSE 900hrs or so 5k and supported for two years.
    well surely you need to pay less for the course with less hours of study
    also is two years support enough? if you do 10hrs religously thats 90 week study only 14 week short of 2year. holidays, illness, xmas and stuff doesnt leave much time for error or confusion.
    obviously they dont drop you they just charge a percentage for another three months?
    I get 32 months ( odd number-though actualy its an even number) then 5% for a further 3 month
     
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  17. dariadoll

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    I've been studying with advent for a wee while and i'm due to go on my first study days in kidderminster, but i can't get any answer from advent as to whether or not they pay for my flights?!

    it may be a silly question, but do i have to pay for my own travel down to the study place? surely not eh? im paying 6 grand for this course, you think they'd pay for the travel?

    can someone who's been to the study days let me know??

    thank yooooo

    :)
     
  18. greenbrucelee
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    I doubt very much they'll pay for your travel. You have only paid for some course not for anything else. If they were so accomodating nobody would slate them.
     
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    I agree, there are no guarantees in life. Unfortunately, you wouldn't get that impression from Advent's promotional claims. As far as training providers go - there are two types of guarantee, reflecting the two main ways people "expect" something to happen. The first is a legal contract - we "expect" something because we have a legal right to expect it. Secondly, we can "expect" something because that's how things always happened in the past - these usually appear in the form of a claimed (but unsubstantiated) "success rate". The claims behind each of these kinds of guarantee vary between "We GUARANTEE a £20,000 job or your money back" for the contractual version to... "We have a 97% success rate in finding jobs for our students" for the "success rate" version.

    Most of these claims amount to little more than the claim that the company behind them is, in some way, immune to the kind of market forces that affect every other training company. They are invariably rubbish. Just take the past few months as an example. The world is not the same world we lived in six months ago, and any company guaranteeing its students the kind of salaries you could get at the peak of the longest ever boom isn't going to survive very long when those students start asking for their £25,000 job in the middle of the deepest recession since the 1930s. This only applies, of course, if the guarantees are genuine - which they never are.

    Here's the dope - no arguments, forget everything you've read before - this is IT... THE TRUTH!!...

    IF YOU SIGN UP ON THE BASIS OF A JOB GUARANTEE, THE ONLY THING THAT'S GUARANTEED IS THAT YOU WILL GET NOTHING.

    You said it yourself - "THERE ARE NO GUARANTEES". It stands to reason, therefore, that if your training provider actually provides such a guarantee - they are "guaranteeing" the impossible. In such circumstances, the company you have paid thousands to on the basis of such a guarantee HAS to make sure that no-one ever reaches the point where they can invoke the fake warranty. Since, in all cases, the most fundamental condition to be satisfied is that students must successfully complete the course, the job of a training provider is to make sure that their students fail. That's easy to do. There are many other posts on this site explaining how this happens - tactics vary from having a six week gap between modules on a seven module programme on which you are allowed only one year to complete - to suggesting that the ECDL course is sufficient background for a course in XML programming (that's not a joke, by the way).

    How do we identify a good training provider? It's not difficult to define the best training provider. It is, however, difficult to identify this very rare species. These are the things that most definitely do NOT help...

    • So-called "accreditations" - Gold Partner of this, Platinum Member of that... blah, blah blah. These things are rubbish - even the ones that you might imagine represent a decade of excellence in providing complex solutions for global corporations. Spend £1 on their accounts at CompaniesHouse<dot>gov<dot>uk - and ask yourself if this is really what you were led to believe. I'm not saying that small is bad. I'm saying that a company "bigging" itself up as a means of rationalising its claim to be in a position to "guarantee" jobs would be expected to have accounts that reflect this claim. If it looks more like a sweetshop... chances are..!!

      Unsubstantiated claims. A 97% success rate in finding jobs for students is the Holy Grail. The profit potential in such a claim ranks alongside the recipe for Coca Cola, the code for Windows and a patent on the English language - all rolled into one. It is utterly inconceivable that a company with a genuine 90-99% success rate would not have this independantly verified by a standards body that would put its seal of approval on the claim. Bear in mind that the reason why scam merchants are totally unaffected by recessions is because recessions are real, whereas their claims have no contact with reality whatsoever.

    There are various other things that I would steer clear of. Companies sending salesmen round to your house to flog e-learning ranks pretty high on the list. If face-to-face interaction is so important when you're flogging something, why is it so unimportant when it comes to teaching something? "Aptitude" tests that no-one has ever failed are also a sure sign. You are being lied to - why trust them with your money? If you wish to self-study - go onto Amazon and buy the books that are recommended elsewhere on this site. Why pay a training provider thousands for e-learning that they didn't write and that probably cost them a few hundred pounds at most. Better still, forget about an IT career. Buy some e-learning and set up your own training company - that's probably what the scam merchants trying to persuade you to sign over an £8000 CDL did.



    The best training provider is the one with the best trainers - full stop. Go along and speak to them - and get some feedback from students. As regards jobs - here's a guarantee. If there are no jobs, you're not going to get a job, at any salary. Now is not a good time to be looking for jobs. It is, however, probably a fairly good time to be training. When the economy starts to pick up - you'll be ready. Forget the "can't get a job without experience" bull****. Everybody gets their first job without experience. You need communication skills and you need to know a bit about the things this industry placed a high priority upon (stability, reliability, conscientiousness, knowing when you're out of your depth and it's probably wise to pass a problem up to the next level). If you have these, IT is one of the few areas with the growth potential to suck you in and provide the kind of career you're looking for. Good luck.
     
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    kidrock182,

    That was a fantastic post!!! Well done! 100% agree with that! :)
     
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