ADVENT - A+, MCDST, MCTS, MCITP

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Good to get that insight - I appreciate it!

 

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Try typing Data Analyst into a job site, in london rates range from £15-£50 ph depending on what they define as a data analyst, some are high level DBA/Architect/Business Intelligence roles, others are just above data entry clerk.

Heres an example :-

http://www.jobserve.com/W74CE8D2115E82421.job

 

And of course don't forget the latest thing for developers SQL on Railshttp://www2.sqlonrails.org/screencast !

 

Why do people think that they can spend a year or less doing some 'training' & then walk into high level jobs, that someone with a 3 or 4 year degree cant get?

A degree in the UK will leave you with about £10k of tuition fee loans to pay back after 3 years, plus living expenses. The university also receives funding from the government. So there is no way an organisation can provide the same level of education & experience for less than £10k, & still make a profit from you.

All our IT people are educated to at least degree level, with our web & db ones having masters.

 

Because there is a big myth that IT is a gateway to riches and people these days are greedy, so these training companies play on that greed with a load of BS

I want to do IT as my job because I like it not because I believe I will get good money, when I was at uni they fed us with BS that we would get a good paid job right from the off but only some people are lucky enough but most are not.

 

Ive done my IT stuff at a uni, that does courses for anyone, not just full-time degrees.
eg. MOS is cheaper doing it with them than with a training company, & im sure it looks better on a cv that youve done it at somewhere people will recognise & understand.

Not to be rude, but as the saying goes 'it takes two to tango'
If you want to get from A to B, you have to know where A & B are, & also how to get there.
People seem to be forgetting to look up the 'how' part.
If you want to be a medical doctor, you look up medical schools, if you want to do an MS qualification, look it up on the MS site.
Can even enquire at your local college/uni about what they do.

 

I have to agree, these 'training providers' have some very strange ideas about how to teach IT, I know someone whos been doing an MCAD in VB .Net, they don't teach the VB course until after you have the MCAD ! Bonkers, talk about cart before horse...

A+ and MCDST are not prerequisites for DBA work although they do teach some good general stuff. A more sensible couple of intro courses before a SQL Server MCITP might be Access/Excell and MOSS/MCAS.

This is the sort of thing that good diplomas and degrees teach in the first year, they tend to lay a broad foundation on computing that covers most of the A+, CIW foundation and MOSS materials.