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Discussion in 'Web Development & Web Hosting' started by vincentclifton99, Mar 2, 2009.

  1. vincentclifton99

    vincentclifton99 New Member

    Hello All,
    I am planning to buy a copy of dreamweaver CS4 for my daughter. Sometime back she was quite keen on getting it but couldn’t do it for some reason. Now I am planning to gift her DW CS4 for her birthday. Also I came across creative suite cs4 web premium http://www.ecostsoftware.com/adobe/adobe-creative-suite-cs4-web-premium-win_p4088 it includes many other tools including dreamweaver. Should I go for this one or just buy the DW CS4. My daughter is a professional web designer. Please guide me on this.
  2. 04gmead

    04gmead New Member

    hi im a computer engineer in training and it seems to me if shes a profecional i would go for the extra tools this way she has a better chance of making the site look profesional all in all i use creative suite cs4 web premium myself and would recomend it:biggrin

    p.s plz rate me as good :)
    WIP: anything
  3. dmarsh

    dmarsh Terabyte Poster

    Personally I really wouldn't spend as much as £1200 on such a product unless you are 100% sure your daughter wants it.

    I have worked with many professional web developers who got professional results with tools that were either free or very low cost.

    Also if she is running a business she will be able to claim it as a business expense and also possibly the VAT, as such I'd speak to her and offer her the money instead.

    These are the flagship products in the suite that people sometimes use :-

    Photoshop CS4 Extended - Create powerful images with the professional standard
    Flash CS4 Professional - Create and deliver rich interactive content
    Dreamweaver CS4 - Design, develop, and maintain standards-based websites and applications
    Fireworks CS4 - Rapidly prototype and design for the web

    I've not seen the rest used much.

    She may not use Flash so she may not need that. Flash is for building highly visual interactive content.

    Photoshop is a high end paint package for creative arty types, if shes not a full on artist she could probably get by with a cheaper alternative.

    Dreamweaver is a WYSIWIG HTML editor, loads of them about but its considered the best of breed product, personally I'd just use a good text editor and firebug, and so do most web developers I know, if shes a designer maybe she'll find it useful, but its non essential in my mind.

    Fireworks, nice basic graphics package with an emphasis on converting images to web suitable formats. Non-essential but nice to have, probably will provide the most bang for buck out of all of them.
  4. mattstevenson

    mattstevenson Byte Poster

    Don't ask people to rate you every time you give an answer. I've got myself a nice little signature, which is now outdated as it happens. But actually asking people is just silly. I guess that if your advice is good enough, it'll get the recognition you're after.

    Also, just a thought - If you speak English, then type it as well. I'm fed up of reading that type of scrawl. It looks like a 12 year old is typing.

    Also, to the OP: I know guys who much prefer working with free tools. I'm told that Dreamweaver produces horribly inefficient code, and dumbs down the creativity process, limiting the options and power you have over the page's design. Of course, for an entry level web designer, this might be a good thing. But for a so-called professional, it'd probably be more of an annoyance than a good thing. I'd ask her first if I were you.

    Edit: You might be better off taking heed of dmarsh's advice than mine - just look at that list of certs. Ha.
    Certifications: Triple A+. Network+, CCENT
    WIP: MCP, ICND2, Sec+
  5. westernkings

    westernkings Gigabyte Poster

    There is one reason dreamweaver is a market leader by all surveys and that is because it is simply the best product you can get, professionals do not let dreamweaver do the work, as said previously, that produces really poor code, but what they do like about it, is predictive code generation, the instant css selector properties and the small time saving features, I've never used dreamweaver in What you see mode, but I do use it split and edit the code only. it outpaced any product out there and that is the simple fact of the matter.

    Mostly, it is used because it completes a lot of tedious tasks for you, you want to be a real professional then use notepad to create your website, you want to produce a peice of quality work in a shorter amount of time and without learning millions of strings of code? use dreamweaver.

    The majority of developers and designers I know are split between DW and Coda for the mac.
  6. dmarsh

    dmarsh Terabyte Poster

    Maybe, intellisense is a nice to have, however there are other editors with html intellisense.

    I've worked with web developers and designers on websites with over 8 million users, never saw them use dreamweaver or any other WYSIWYG style html editor.

    Me thinks you protest too much ! A slight exageration, thats what web developers get paid for ! :)

    Use Dreamweaver if you must, just know theres more than one way to skin a cat.


    Web Design / Front End Web Development is not really my thing but I have worked on several large ecommerce projects.

    I'm simply pointing out that she might find better ways to use the money, the adobe software is great but I wouldn't spend £1200 of my personal money on it, get the company to buy it, that way you get an effective 21% tax rebate.

    How many web sites wll she have to build to clear £1200 pure profit ? How much will it increase her productivity ? If its a clear winner then of course the company should buy it.
  7. westernkings

    westernkings Gigabyte Poster


    That would be of use to him I think. Just for references sake.

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