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Moral dilema

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by greenbrucelee, Apr 13, 2008.

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  1. greenbrucelee
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    greenbrucelee Zettabyte Poster

    hmmm it seems my work can't do without me and want to give me a decent pay rise along with more IT responsibilities although still not proper IT work.

    Do I go into a proper IT role and drop from (now)21k to 14k or less or do I accept the new responsibilities and wage rise?

    Another issue is that I am just coming out of debt so I will have more moeny to my name (hopefully be able to save for the future)

    It's like a catch 22 situation I could save up some cash whilst living with my mum and studying some certs that will hopefully get me a job which may be far away which I don't want to do as I think my Mum will go down hill once she is on her own she is 66 and has low blood pressure and is prone to black outs unless she keeps up the water intake.

    The second catch is I get paid well for my area and I can do my job whilst standing on my head, although I dont like it because there is no challenege (normally) I am basically in charge of what I do and what they guy underneath me does.

    It will hard dropping wages by a lot.

    A third catch is that I have no savings (because of debts) I have a crap credit rationg ( beacuse of debts) but because of woking lots of overtime etc I have manage to pay my debts of a lot earlier, if I could do it with the money I am now not repaying I could be quite well off

    What do you guys think?
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  2. delorean

    delorean Megabyte Poster

    Speaking from a wholly personal opinion, I would stick with the job and take the pay rise. In terms of my advice to you though, I would like to offer an response that offers more advice for your final choice. To be honest though only you know yourself away from this forum and ultimately only you can make that decision.

    I hope in some bizarre way that helps mate. :)
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  3. NightWalker

    NightWalker Gigabyte Poster

    Take the pay rise, hang in where you are for 6 months and get your next cert under your belt and some ££s in the bank, then look to make the move into an IT role. Any IT related responsibilities you have currently will be good for your CV, in IT experience counts for a lot.
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  4. derkit

    derkit Gigabyte Poster

    My parents were really encouraging for me to move to the big smoke and pursue my career and that was irrelevant of what was going on in their lives and their situation - at the end of the day, if I'm not happy in doing what I'm doing I could end up resenting them for holding me back or similar - at least that was their thoughts.

    I think I'd take the payrise, save loads (not spend now you have your financial freedom), get your N+ and MCDST as both are entry certs and then get yourself into IT. Your mum will be there, and should be happy for you to see you succeeding but it is always a worry when they are "frail" and reaching the end of their lives, an unfortunate thing we all have to face as children of someone.

    And as the saying goes: "you can't keep hold of your mothers apron strings forever" - I would have thought that has been said with some insight from previous experience.
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  5. grim

    grim Gigabyte Poster

    i've just done something similar, i took a pay cut and moved to a company which has better training and more promotionl prospects.

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  6. Sparky
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    Sparky Zettabyte Poster Moderator

    Take the pay rise just now as you don’t have any other IT jobs on the table (so to speak) just now. Also it might take months to get an entry level IT job so it would be good to get some more cash to put towards more certs and also if you have to relocate.

    There will be a time when you will have to pay cut so you will need to decide what wage you can drop to. Remember it won’t be like that forever as you can quickly move up the IT ladder if you make the right decisions and put the work in. I think I went up from £13k to £18.5 in 18 months. I did jump between three jobs in that time *but* employers expect that with entry level jobs unless there are opportunities to progress which in many cases there are not so you have to move on.

    Best of luck! :thumbleft
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  7. GiddyG

    GiddyG Terabyte Poster Gold Member

    Have you discussed it with your mum, mate? She probably doesn't realise the dilemna you're going through and, when you explain, she'll possibly put your mind at rest.

    That said, you're only in your early 30s... and if this means you can get some good money behind you, then it may be worth staying.

    Finally, is there no way your current employer can give you more IT related tasks? If they want you, and if you're prepared to take on the extra responsibility for no extra money (over and above what they're going to 'up' your pay by anyway), then they would surely bite your hand off... or does the job not lend itself to more IT-related stuff (i.e. is the IT provider external?).

    Whatever decision you make will be the right one... so don't beat yourself up.
  8. greenbrucelee
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    Yeah I have talked to her, she says it probbaly best to stay where I am get the other certs whilst saving some cash then look at it again once I have some savings. Which is what I was thinking.

    I don't think they will as the IT director doesn't like me as I corrected him one time (was something to do with the firewall).

    I think I will stay for a while, the only things I worry about is my wages can now only go up, I'll be getting another 3% payrise at Christmas. So it makes the drop into an entry level IT job even bigger.
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  9. dales

    dales Terabyte Poster

    you dont have to take a job at that pay level, my first job (granted was just over 15k) but then I went to work in the local cop shop as first line tech support, which was about 18K plus shift allowance which ment I was about 20-21k by the end of it.

    Personally I think those two jobs were the wrong way round as I learned alot more in the first job than the second, but just remember that not every entry level job pays peanuts as some companies may actually want to invest in their staff, as the old saying goes you pay peanuts and you get monkeys. Im sure there are employers out that who try to avoid that, and the extra ict responsibility will be great for your cv and will also show you can manage work loads which by the sounds of it is 2 peoples worth.

    Chin up and bide your time!
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  10. greenbrucelee
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    Cheers for the advice people :)
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  11. Modey

    Modey Terabyte Poster

    I'd stay mate, but I'm not the one doing your job so ultimately only you can decide really.
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  12. greenbrucelee
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    I have applied for a job the other week at a building society according to the job advert the interviews will held this Wednesday, I havent recieved anything about attending but my mum bumped into the Wife of the Building societies manager whom she know and she happend to mention I'd applied for the IT job there. The Wife says she will have a word with him.

    So who knows if I get an interview and even get it then I'll probably accept better to drop now than drop when I am on more money.
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  13. noelg24

    noelg24 Terabyte Poster

    When i got my first "proper" IT job in Oct 2006 I was on £12K and this was for 1st line support and some 2nd line support...in the job I am now, I am earning £15K plus a bonus of out hours anywhere between £200 to £600 per month. Like Dales, I learnt more at first IT job than what I am doing now...but I still love this job, it pays well and I cant complain...if I were you mate I would just stick it out for the time being...get the Certs needed, once u have them...start looking, but always remember even with the certs, experience is the key these days...I only have an A+ and I didnt have that until well into my first IT job...if I had stayed I would have had the N+ too but A+ is all I have at the moment...and I am proud to have it...

    Good luck with whatever you do mate :biggrin
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  14. Mitzs
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    I saw your post yesterday, but just am not sure how to give advice on this situation. If you feel the need to stay close to your mom and help her there is nothing worng with that. My Mom is 65, so I can understand your protectiveness toward her, but there are 5 of us kids too. 3 that live in the same state right around her and 2 of us that live out of state. Are you the only one there to help her? Ask yourself this. If you was to move and something happen. Could you live with that without there being guilt? Can you look at it as this is life running it course. These are questions only you can anwser. And to be honest, maybe this is not the time for you move in that direction yet. You have your mom, now your boss offering the raise and some IT chances. Maybe you are already where you are ment to be for the moment. These are somethings you need to think about and find anwsers to before you make any choices. I am sorry that I can't offer you more.
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  15. greenbrucelee
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    With my Mum its I am the only one there most of the time, my Brother lives 20 miles away and my sister live 1.5 miles away so if something happened with me not around I would feel guilty. If my Mum doesn't keep up the water intake (she forgets sometimes) she will faint fi she doesn't keep up the aspirin to thin the blood her blood will clot if she hasn't had the water and aspirins she will have a stroke.

    I may have to lay of the IT career for a while if I don't get anything around here and it may end up being for longer than a while.
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  16. David S

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    Six months or so of savings could give you a bit of wriggle room when making choices about your drop in wages. Personally, I would stick where you are for now, look after your mum and keep up the studying.
    Best of luck on the building society job. (that doesnt sound right):blink
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  17. BosonMichael
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    Dude... that's what telephones are for. Just call your mom to remind her to drink water and take aspirin. My mom lives 35 miles away... and I call her almost every day. I don't visit all the time, but if she needed me to, I could; her house is between my workplace and my home.

    OK, so you're the only one there most of the time. What if something were to happen to her while you are at work? Should you stop working entirely just to care for her? Of course not. Certainly you should care for her... but there are many ways to provide that care that don't absolutely require that you live under her roof. :)

    Ultimately, the decision is yours, and I commend you for putting your mother's needs ahead of your own. Just giving you options that don't require that you sacrifice your moral integrity. :)
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  18. greenbrucelee
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    Cheers foir the advice mate, I'll havent heard anything from the building society job and interview day is Wednesday so that doesn't seem likely.

    I'll keep hoping for a job around my area if not I'll hold off for a while.
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