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MCSE 2003 message waste of time

Discussion in 'Windows Server 2003 / 2008 / 2012 / 2016' started by itdaddy, Aug 14, 2006.

  1. itdaddy

    itdaddy Byte Poster

    hey gurus, I will finish
    my MCSE 2003 Messaging Jan 08 or Dec 07.
    is this a waste of time.

    I take like 3 months per exam. to prepare for
    is this too long. again, i am sort of new to 2003 server
    technlogy and want to make sure to pass each one.

    my goals are in CCNA, CCNP and CCIE an CISSP an CEH
    not in MS$$ products. i want a great foundation in MS products
    i dont want to upgrade each year when MS$$ decides to add a new server; and i dont think it is real world either.
    people are still getting 2003 servers and still run 60-40 2000 servers(60 % end) (40% 2003 servers)

    what you guys /gals think; is 2003 messaging 8 exams waste of time
    we just got 2003 server here and exchange server 2003 1 year ago how can it be old in 1 more year? i dont see us or anyone medium size upgrading unless forced too>?

    can anyone shed light on 2003 messaging am i wasting my time?
  2. zimbo
    Honorary Member

    zimbo Petabyte Poster

    you going to start MCSE now? and finish in december or january? how?

    If you have Server 2003 at work then MCSE is for you.
    Certifications: B.Sc, MCDST & MCSA
    WIP: M.Sc - Computer Forensics
  3. simongrahamuk
    Honorary Member

    simongrahamuk Hmmmmmmm?

    Erm Zimbo:
    If your desired track is to go the Cisco Route of certifications (which have to be renewed every three years, or they expire) then why are you looking to do the MCSE?

    I know that you say you want a solid grounding in MS technologies, but you don't have to be certified in them to have this knowledge. Besides, even if you do get certified you do not have to upgrade the cert, you can still call yourself an MCSE in X, which is unlike Cisco certs that expire.

    For the good solid grounding that you are seeking then look at the CompTIA certs, as these are vendour neutral they will look at multiple technologies, not just MS. If you want to know more on Windows Servers then Get a good non certification book on them. Tripwire45's book is a good introduction, and easy reading. I'm not certified on Windows 2003, but would still like to think that I have a good solid knowledge of it through reading books like this and using Forums to help build my skills.

    Just my thoughts. 8)
  4. zimbo
    Honorary Member

    zimbo Petabyte Poster

    simon i know :biggrin i was just suprised that he will finish so quick if he is starting now.....:blink
    Certifications: B.Sc, MCDST & MCSA
    WIP: M.Sc - Computer Forensics
  5. zebulebu

    zebulebu Terabyte Poster


    Fella - to be honest, your aspirations Cisco-wise are very high, and, IMHO misplaced. Have you seen the requiements for the CCIE? Not trying to say you couldn't do it - just that the CCIE exam is almost imnpossible to pass unless you have a good solid five years' worth experience of carrier-level Cisco. It is NOT a cert for anyone who doesn't work full-time with Cisco routing, and the vast majority of Cisco stuff at this level is either extremely specialised, with maybe 500 people in the whole country able to do it, or has now being outsourced to places like India and Taiwan - Cisco is dying on its arse in the UK.

    Also, you say you don't want to have to re-cert every time M$ brings out a new server technology - are you aware that your M$ certifications will ALWAYS remain valid (even though my NT MCSE might not exactly be the latest thang I can still point to it as a cert) whereas your Cisco certs are only valid for three years? My CCNA expired ages ago and I just can't be arsed to renew it.

    At least you've set yourself a realistic timeframe for achieving your MCSE - I did mine in a year, but I took the WHOLE year off from work to do it. If you're not fortunate enough to be in a position to do this, then eighteen months sounds about right.

    Good luck in whatever you decide to do anyway!

    Unless you have your heart set on a valid career
    Certifications: A few
    WIP: None - f*** 'em
  6. itdaddy

    itdaddy Byte Poster

    Mr zebulebu
    you said?
    "Unless you have your heart set on a valid career"

    oh no i plan on taking ccna 1 year to 6 months
    to finish; ccnp 2 years to finish. and then CEH and and CISSP
    and then CCIE; so about maybe 7 years till I get/start to CCIE or so
    that is my ultimate goal.

    in 3 years when my son leaves/graduates; i can hammer them faster. would love to take off 4 years to hammer education and certs but no go!

    i work in IT right now as an Assistant Network admin for a credit union(financial) yeah we have the technologgies here.
    but I could never be a papered MCSE; you just have to play and make mistakes to see how thing really work.

    thanks will try it faster than 18 months
    but well; when a future company looks at me say in 2 to 3 years; atleast my theory is they will see constant IT activity whether outdated or not; I see that the market is 60 /40
    60 2000 servers 40 percent 2003 servers atleast in this area of the USA; i am sure big citeis have 40 percent 2000 servers and 60 percent 2003 servers; just dont know when MS$ will push out 2007 server which i am sure they will people will jump to it!

    it is all kind of a gamble; our shop is MS$$ shop and i want to have a groundingin it; i will eventually hit the Cisco route and not look back; just that i know someone will ask if i am MCSE
    and then i can say he$$ yeah!

    MCSE and A+ they alwasy ask this; i was always good at building and troublehooting PCs but you just have to get the papper that says CoMPTIA A+ certifed to shut them up!

    THANKS Mates!

    " and yes my license plate does say that! hahahah"
    kind of a joke but serious! when people see me they do remmebr itdaddy and i do have a side job called itdaddy LLC
    my own little company! my reputation is spreading that i do good work!;D
    thanks mates!
  7. tuvanit

    tuvanit Nibble Poster

    If you scare 2000vs2003 or 2003vs2007. It's just looked like 98vsXP and XPvsVista.

    So, The New Technology Microsoft given not be used to scare people :D It's used to make you exciting more.

    Sorry about my English :D
    Certifications: 70-270, 70-290
    WIP: MCSA 2003
  8. r.h.lee

    r.h.lee Gigabyte Poster


    Did you know that MCSE 2003: Messaging could become useful in Cisco-land? Here's why.

    In the beginning, in a galaxy far far, err, earth long time ago, there was the CCIE certificate. But Cisco noticed that there weren't as many people trying for the CCIE due to it's difficulty. So that's when they created the "watered down CCIE" certificate program that is now the CCNP and CCNA levels. Now the purpose of the "Cisco Career Certification" program was to create "Cisco Certified Partners." In order for an organization to become a "Cisco Certified Partner", they need to have certain people on staff, namely, Cisco Career Certified folks. These folks are assigned to at least three roles: 1) Account Managers
    2) System Engineer 3) Field Engineer. The relevant Cisco Career Certifications for those are: 1) Cisco Sales Expert 2) Cisco Certified Design Associate/Professional 3) Cisco Certified Network Association/Professional or Cisco Certified Internetworking Expert.

    Associated with the foundation Cisco Career Certifications is the requirement to specialize in a Cisco Partner Specialization. The new Cisco Certified Partner program will require specialization in four fields: 1) Routing & Switching 2) Unified Communications 3) Security and 4) Wireless LAN. Routing & Switching effectively has two levels: 1) Express Foundation 2) Advanced Routing & Switching. Unified Communications has three levels: 1) Express Unified Communications 2) Advanced Unified Communications and 3) Master Unified Communications. Security has 3 levels: 1) Express Foundation 2) Advanced Security 3) Master Security. Wireless LAN has two levels: 1) Express Foundation 2) Advanced Wireless LAN.

    Now, if you're wondering what this has to do with the price of fish in Hong Kong, in order for a Cisco Partner to become qualified as a "Advanced Unified Communications" specialization, they're going to need a MCSE 2003: Messaging on staff as their "Cisco Unity Support Specialist" role.

    I hope this helps.

    Certifications: MCSE, MCP+I, MCP, CCNA, A+

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