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  1. simongrahamuk
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    So there was some announcement in my Facebook feed the other day about new ownership that I just briefly scanned over and then thought I'll have to take a look. So I did, and now I'm posting this.
     
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    Welcome back Simon, good to see yet another old face back on here. How's it all going sir? Any certifications in the pipeline? :)
     
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    simongrahamuk Hmmmmmmm?

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    I'll admit that back in the day I was up to date with the latest certs and studying for them. These days I'll admit that my certs are not up to date and I'm not likely to update them either.I simply don't find any value in them anymore. That said though this is from my field of experience and a personal opinion.

    Good to see this place still ticking over though, and I hope to 'pop by' more often.
     
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    Cheers Simon and no worries, I think when you've got a lot of the major certs in the past as you have you can lose a bit of interest. We all know experience is King. I think though they definitely do have a place with employers wanting it all from us, plus I quote fancy some of these beast level certs now like the VCAP. One day... I need to update my VCP6 first! Stick around mate, we appreciate your knowledge and advice
     
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    Welcome back!

    I am always interested when someone who use to see value in certs and gains them now feels there is no value. Is it because the certs got you were you want career wise? or they did not get you there? or just moved on to a different career area where they are not needed?
     
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    Purely just my opinion and interested to see what people think but I bet people get the certs, get the role and then lose interest, so in a way it's job done. Certs did what they say on the tin
     
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    Possibly but I had a career for 7 years before certification and was a senior developer, 15 years later still a senior developer...

    I believe more than anything what got me the jobs was learning new stuff and getting better at my job.

    I switched from C++ to Java around the same time, but arguably Java is an easier form of C++ on many levels.
     
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    To be fair I was in it for 7 or 8 before doing my first cert to tell you the truth, although I had a very specific change of direction in mind (server engineer) which I definitely pulled off with my certs I think
     
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    Hey SGUK good to see you back again. :thumbleft
     
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  10. simongrahamuk
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    simongrahamuk Hmmmmmmm?

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    I think to a certain extent certifications do have a place in the job market today. I believe though that certifications these days are only respected if the job market you are looking at is with an IT services provider. IT has changed so much in my time that they have become irrelevant to the field I work in (Education IT) and would only be useful if I were to move into another field.

    How many companies, that aren't IT companies, know what the certification is and what its worth? Experience and the ability to "talk the talk" seems to count for a lot more, unless as previously stated, you are looking to work for a solutions provider with specific needs.

    I started out working for an IT solutions provider waaaaay back in the 90's. At the time they were all over certification so that they could get the accreditation they wanted. They would pay for training, exams, everything. I started out down this path then was made redundant having gained a few certs. I then got a position working in another area (still IT) and tried to push getting certified they didn't put any value on them. I did, and pushed myself through gaining multiple certs. These were paid for off my own back through self study, this site and others like it. I now had the certifications but was still doing the same role I had been employed to to before hand.

    In summary, I have progressed on wards and upwards since then (with a few sideways steps) and not once have I found (again in the education field) that anyone has ever asked or understood my certs, the majority of which have long since expired or become irrelevant. the ability to demonstrate and explain solutions has served me far better than the piece of paper ever did. I am constantly learning new technologies and things, simply not to the level needed to certify.

    IT has changed so much in recent years that the person who provides the 'on-site' support is now much more of a coordinator than a specialist. Calling in the expertise of the people who work for the 'solutions provider' as and when required.
     
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    Simon, good to see you here mate. Hope your doing well.
     
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