You *don't* want to date this girl when she grows up!

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  1. tripwire45
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    Only an idiot would hunt with a submachine gun. On the other hand, you need a high powered rifle to bring down a big buck deer or elk. If you're hunting birds or water fowl, you'd use a shotgun.

    You usually don't hunt just *anywhere*. Typically, hiking trails and hunting areas are pretty separate. That said, I did read a news story the other week of a teen hunting with a group of people who accidentally shot a woman hiker fatally. I was shocked because such a thing is very rare. The kid obviously didn't know what he was doing because he didn't confirm what he was shooting at before he pulled the trigger. I was also stunned to read in the story that the area this happened in is a popular site for both hunting and hiking. I'd never hike in an area where I knew people were actively hunting. I also probably wouldn't hunt in an area frequented by hikers.

    I used to think skeet shooting was incredibly fun. Incidently, skeet are also known as "clay pigeons" and are objects launched into the sky. Then you try to blow them away with a shotgun, pretending they're birds. I also used to enjoy target shooting (usually cans or bottles). When I went target shooting, I usually took a .22 cal pistol and rifle. I was never really into hunting (which is why I don't hunt today), so killing something wasn't a big thrill for me. I just liked the practice of being able to improve my aim.

    I didn't start this thread to start a pro vs. anti-gun conversation. I saw this cute little girl apparently getting a real thrill out of demonstrating her skill to field strip and rebuild a rifle in short order and thought it would be a fun subject. Remember, in the video, she doesn't even shoot the thing (it would probably knock her on her butt from the recoil if she did). I'm not selling anybody's right to do anything
     
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    The subject is an 11 year old girl getting great enjoyment urged along by an over zelous parent doesn't strike me as 'fun' nor does any of the other comments but I didn't realise I wasn't allowed to comment

    I'll let you carry on discussing the right age kids should be allowed access to guns (my own view would be around 150)

    Long live open discussion, so long as it suits - Sorry I spoke :dry
     
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    my 6th year birthday present was my own bb gun. By 7 I was shooting my dads 22 rifle, by age 8 I was bringing home rabbits and squirells for dinner. My brothers who followed did the same. At 12 I belive it was I brought down my first buck with a 12 gauge shotgun. Till this day I have yet to shoot anyone thank you very much. 8)
     
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    If she lives out in the country that girl could be providing food for her family. She is american too which means she could be part of rotc I belive it is called in school. Already training to join the arm services when she graduates. She could also be a sharp shooter. They have contest for it here of all ages. A couple years back our state champion was a girl and she was competeing on a national level against adult if I remember right and I know she was in the top 10.

    Its the ones that hide what they are doing that you better worry about.:(
     
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    No one said you couldn't comment. Just don't expect everyone to agree with your opinion. I don't. It's ok to disagree. It only becomes a problem with the differences are personalized.
     
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    I didn't expect anyone to agree - it was plain from all the comments of our US citezens they never would

    It just seems strange for two countries that are very closely linked in many ways that in others we're centuries apart (Thankfully)
     
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    That's good to know but you're still a thousand times more likely to shoot someone than I am
     
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    Nope. And don't try to make me, or I'll shoot your butt! :snipersmi

    kidding! kidding!!! :p

    Just... don't believe what the media is feeding you... we 'Mericans are *really* not all walking around out here with semi-automatics... :rolleyes:
     
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    While i wont enter into any discussion regarding the right to bear arms.......(arm bears?) I do think that there's not much wrong with seeing a teen strip a rifle and re-assemble it. As mentioned we never see her fire it and definatley not shoot anyone. She's just demonstrating a skill. You could argue that when my lad demonstartes his Jujitsu, he could kill some one or seriuosly injure someone one day, but you wouldnt think that.

    Anyway i just wanted to post what i think is one of teh all time funniest clips about guns in teh US....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBtVICSFmgI
     
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    You'll get no disagreement from me. Robin Williams is top notch....and funny to boot, pml.

    As for the 'gun debate' - Sorry folks, I'm not getting involved (I know - chicken, lol).

    Simply - the original video was, in my humble opinion, ok. Ok - she knew what she was doing, and was good at it. Twizzle's video was much much better.

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    You've gone native quickly! :biggrin
     
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    Well if you read some of my pre move posts you will notice I have always believed in the right to bear arms, I just dont believe in the poor implementation stateside at the moment :)
     
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    Yeah, shes very good and obviously enjoying herself, I still think automatic or semi-automatic guns shouldn't be allowed in the home, and hence she shouldn't be doing that. Children learn by copying adults and like to do adult things, so it doesn't surprise me.

    Jujitsu is a MartialART the clues in the name, you could argue they are like gymnastics or ballet.

    In answer to trips point, yes I've done clay pigeon shooting and it was great fun, doesn't alter the fact shotguns are designed to kill birds and machine guns are designed to kill people. I can see the point in allowing shotguns as farmers etc still need to kill birds.

    Theres many ways of looking at it, for instance if I let my kid play with a crack pipe but don't give him real crack or let him light it, is it good parenting ? I mean nobodies being hurt right ? Its just a crack pipe !

    Personally I prefer Bill Hicks to Robin Williams...
     
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    Isn't there a rifle shooting event in the Olympics? Guess it's not an art, but it appears to be a sport.

    Anyway, as I said, I wasn't trying to fuel the pro/anti-gun debate. I thought the video was cute.

    EDIT: Watched both videos. I think Robin Williams' is extremely talented, but his politics are rather obvious. Most hunters I know are *not* going out into the woods to get drunk and shoot anything that moves. The other video was hysterical. Is that a *real* product? Frankly, I'd be more inclined to use a handgun for home protection, or better yet, a big, nasty dog and long sharp teeth.
     
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    I liked the small print at the end 'Not intended for homes with small children'.
    You know how it is, bit groggy first thing in the morning and little Jonny comes in to tell you he's had a bad dream, and you blow him in half with your shotgun...
     
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    That's a pretty good argument against having firearms in the home when you have small children and having a big, guard dog. Usually (but not always) the dog will be friendly towards the family including being amazingly protective of the kids, but merciless with intruders.

    That said, I read a story online yesterday that a couple of pit bulls attacked a woman in her 70s who was under 5 feet in height and weighed 70 to 80 pounds max. The dogs were more than a block from their home...probably got out of an open gate...and attacked this woman as she was walking back home from taking her grandkids to school. I guess she was small enough to be considered "prey".

    When the police arrived, they tried to get the dogs off the woman. The first dog turned on the officer and the officer shot the dog. When the dog kept advancing, he was shot again and killed. Same thing with the second dog.

    What is upsetting in this encounter (besides the obvious) is that the owner and his 18 year old son complained about the actions of the police and couldn't imagine why the dogs behaved that way. Apparently, they'd never done anything like that before (if I had a dime for everytime I've heard that...).

    Goes to show you that just about any home protection system can go awry.

    Oh yeah...what about that cute 11 year old girl who can field strip an M-16 in... :wink:
     
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    How do you know that her father's not a soldier, and that's HIS Army-issued weapon? Can't simply assume the father is just Joe Q. Public. In fact, if I had to guess, I'd guess that he *is* a soldier. When I was in the Army, we did speed drills *just* like this, field stripping and reassembling our weapons in the shortest time possible. At some point in her life, she likely saw what he was doing and wanted to "play too".
     
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    Surely you'd want to strip and reassemble a weapon as slowly and carefully as possible?
    If you have to do it that quickly in the field, you're really in the sh1t!

    :biggrin
     
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    No; you want to be as familiar with it as possible, even to the point of being able to do it in the dark. The components, while vital, are not completely fragile... so while putting the components together accurately is important, you *can* - and *should* - be able to disassemble and reassemble quickly.

    Yes, you have to do it in the field, and you learn to do it quickly so you can stay OUT of the... well, you know. :oops: Consider this scenario: you are in a firefight, and your bolt cracks. You want to be able to clear the weapon (civilian speak: remove the ammo, including the chambered round) and replace the bolt in the shortest amount of time possible so you can continue to attack or defend. As a soldier, your life may depend on it, so we are trained to do so. :)
     
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