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Windows 2003 Server is utter crap!

Discussion in 'Software' started by Fluid, Aug 1, 2007.

  1. Fluid

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    This has got to be one of the worst operating systems i have ever seen in my life... iv used ME before and this just about comes below it, its absolutley disgraceful! Installed a clean version, then scanned the PC with GFI Languard around 40-50 vunrabelities started to show up. So i sat away for 2 pure days patching them up one by one. Now its all patched up its all going wrong, i get startup errors as it cant start up several processes such as anti-virus (using AVG pro) does not detect DVD drive and several other issues. Would it be better to use XP as an operating system for a server?
     
  2. hbroomhall

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    Server for what?

    XP Pro has many limitations which make life difficult to run too much on it as a server.

    XP Home has even more limitations.

    Harry.
     
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  3. tripwire45
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    I've heard of computers with pre-installed operating systems coming from the factory with viruses but I don't recall ever doing a clean install and having an instant infection problem. Of course to apply all of the security patches after install, you either have to connect to the internet and get them from the Windows Update site or have the patches already waiting on a machine in the LAN (which is safer in a production environment) and get them from there.

    I agree with Harry. XP won't do for many server roles and I suspect that whatever "got" the Windows Server 2003 would "get" an XP machine if it was installed and configured under similar circumstances. It's not the operating system itself that's the problem.

    Have you verified that you've got a valid installation disk (that is, it's not a pirated copy)?

    All that said, if you're really convinced that Windows Server 2003 is absolutely not something you want to work with, various Linux distros have been used in server roles for many years with no problems.
     
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  4. Fluid

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    its not a pirated copy no, i had to connect to the net using windowsupdate, but the problems kicked in from when i installed AVG Antivirus... downloaded it from their official site.
     
  5. hbroomhall

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    Personaly I'd use Autopatcher to get a newly installed machine reasonably up-to-date without putting it on the Internet.

    Harry.
     
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  6. Raffaz

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    Have you considered that it could be a problem with AVG then, these problems started after you installed that, so thats more than likely to be the cause. I use NOD32 on my server2003 with no problems. A free trial is available here www.eset.com
     
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  7. Fergal1982

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    If it was AVG Professional you used. Then thats a problem right from word go. AVG Pro does not support Server 2003. If you want AVG on a server environment then you need something like AVG Network Edition.

    AVG Anti-Virus Pro Compatibility

    AVG Anti-Virus Network Edition Compatibility

    Edit: Meh. Those links down load the compatibility pages. Click on 'Details and Compatibility' at the top of the product details.
     
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  8. BosonMichael
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    You do know that AVG Pro isn't compatible with 2003 Server... don't you? Grisoft link

    Thus... it sounds like your problems are resulting from a PEBCAK error. ;)

    EDIT: Fergal beat me to it. :)
     
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  9. nXPLOSi

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    I actually quite like WS 2003... :)
     
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  10. Fluid

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    ahhh ok thanks alot for the help lads! Another format it is :)
     
  11. Phoenix
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    Sounds like you are using an RTM copy
    you are aware that there are TWO SPs for 2003 already? both of which can be slipstreamed into the media
    your also likely using a CURRENT version of GFI
    meaning the profiles are of exploits that could of been fixed years ago

    Windows 2003 is one of the most stable and secure MS operating systems to date, provided you set it up properly and look after it
     
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  12. Tinus1959

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    So windows became crap when you installed AVG. Now who is to blame, windows or AVG?
    It is a welknown fact that antivirus software wants to be active as early as possible, and windows does not like that. It is a fact that Norton did not run well on Vista, because norton would like to have direct access to the harddisk and vista prevented this.
     
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  13. Fluid

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    Whats an RTM copy?
     
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  15. Modey

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    I'm really not trying to troll here or sound patronising, but what utter nonsense. Come back when you have a few years experience of Server 2003 in a live network environment mate.

    What he said ...
     
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  16. zebulebu

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    No offence intended here fella but isn't that a bit like Theo Walcott saying Thierry Henry is a shite striker? You don't work with 2K3 Server, and most definitely haven't grown up supporting server OSes like NT & 2K, so you don't have much room for manoeuvre when cussing out MS' most stable OS ever.

    FYI, XP can't be used as a Server (it's a workstation OS) other than a very basic file & FTP server.

    Also, I note from earlier threads that you are using an AV client that doesn't support that OS, and are most likely running an unpatched copy of the OS as well. FYI, 2K3 Server has been out for about four and a half years now - surely you cant expect a commercial Operating System to go that long without requiring some major hotfixes and Service Packs?

    Finally, I can install 2K3 Server - vanilla, from the original RTM, on a non-slipstreamed basis and have it patched and ready to roll in about three hours. In fact - I did just this very thing last week at work when our standard 2K3 image wasn't of any use to me - started at 09:30, finished at 13:00 - and that included a tea break. Not quite sure why it took you two days, maybe its because you lack the requisite experience with the OS to do it faster.

    Like Modey said above, I'm not trying to be a smart-arse here, but perhaps you'd better chill and learn a bit more before cussing something out that you don't really understand yet. Otherwise you'll end up like one of those annoying tards who repeats 'Linux is better than Windoze' ad infinitum without knowing why - just to look cool. Or, worse still, a supercilious Mac user :x :x :x
     
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  17. wagnerk
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    Hey I take offence to that... I recently bought a Mac-mini. It loads faster than Windows. The interface is different, but nothing I can't get use to. Updating and installing programs/updates is a piece of p*ss, and after a long 4 days of using the damn thing (up to 2 hours a day) I've had to ring Apple cause it doesn't work anymore :lol: It's currently in a box waiting to be replaced :x If Apple wants to get a bigger base of users, including us in IT (especially us that trial and suggest IT equipment/software to buy) they're going to have to improve their stuff.

    -Ken

    p.s. Na, just kidding don't really take offence :biggrin
     
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  18. Modey

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    Hey for the 4 hours it worked Ken, it was great! :)
     
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  19. Fluid

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    right ok, i better do some learning. I have uninstalled AVG. The current software i have installed on it are:

    Wireshark
    GFI Languard
    MSN Live
    Winzip
    Winrar
    Microsoft Visual Studio 2005 - with SP1 and all the update

    Still though i keep getting an error saying windows couldnt not startup certain processes, please check even view, when i look at event view there are quite a few errors, and to be honest i havent got the foggiest what these errors mean :(
     
  20. Fluid

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    Also i forgot to mention another thing, when i go to Start then try and shutdown or reboot does options are not there its only "Log Off" and when i click Log off it logs me off and then says press CTRL+ALT+DLT, i do that then click on advanced there is a shutdown button there but it wont let me click it.... im kind of confused about that as well any ideas? Does features were there before, but suddenly dissapeared!!
     

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