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Will you be voting in or out of the EU?

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by Juelz, Jun 10, 2016.

  1. Juelz

    Juelz Gigabyte Poster

    Im undecided, I want to say out but it bothers me the only people who are saying out just happen to be idiots like Farge and it doesnt fill me with confidence.
  2. dmarsh

    dmarsh Terabyte Poster

    I'm voting out. Not keen on some undemocratic country club, think we can better serve our own interests.
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  3. Jaron78

    Jaron78 Megabyte Poster

    To be honest, I'm still not sure. Like you, I am thinking out but then that means I am agreeing with the moronic embarrassment that is Boris Johnson.

    However, all I seem to hear from the remain party is how bad things will be if we leave. What I would like to hear is to what their views are on the benefit of actually staying. Too much scaremongering for my liking.
  4. Pseudonym

    Pseudonym Byte Poster

    Out for the same reason as dmarsh.
  5. jk2447

    jk2447 Petabyte Poster Moderator

    Voting In because I worry about the Scott's leaving us which could leave us in a right state. I also worry about these flybys from Russia. Found it bizzare Sturgeon was on the stay debate when she wanted an independent Scotland. Agree with comments that Borris is a comedy figure and Farrage liable to come out with Trump like shockers. EU is far from ideal and hopefully the next PM will be more forceful. I am concerned about talk of repercussions for holding this referendum. Very dodgy and adds weight to leave. Security wise we still have the yanks. Very hard decision I find with me unhappy with what both sides are saying. 350 mil is made up by all accounts and Dave hasn't met many of his targets on immigration. Worrying the leave campaign could only get those two as front men. If we leave we won't be able to use EU countries health care, a big deal for ex pats living in Spain for instance.
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  6. dmarsh

    dmarsh Terabyte Poster

    We pay the EU £18bn and get a £5bn rebate, which we have to campaign for, the 350 mil is not made up, its just debatable depending which figures you use.

    Our PM spent 3 months campaigning for a deal and got nothing when there was a once in 50 years referendum coming, what makes you think we can negotiate anything when there isn't a referendum ? Why wont we get 'ever closer union' ? Dodgy Dave secured nothing, he just said he had secured stuff to put a positive spin.

    Labour presided over a 600,000 per annum increase in immigration based on requests for NI numbers which is more accurate than the ONS joke survey numbers.
    Immigrants from Romania with 5 kids who get a council house and benefits will cost us 50k per annum.

    Turkey is an accession country, deals will be done for freedom of movement as they must hold out people from the middle east and Africa. It matters not that they wont get full member status, we will still get them as more economic migrants once they get freedom to travel.

    Anyone in the EU or schengen area ultimately could be a UK migrant, and many do want to come to the UK due to benefits and the English language.

    The working class, not the political elite will pay the price of high immigration. No school places, no hospital beds, no dentist, no doctors appointments, no decent jobs, higher taxes, higher house prices, higher rents...

    EU is a bureaucratic nightmare that is unfix-able, Norway and Switzerland do better outside the EU. They have presided over a shrinking trading zone in terms of GDP. They cost millions jobs, ask people in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, how great the EU is ? They haven't negotiated any decent trade deals in 50 years with China or US.

    Switzerland do so well outside the EU, they just had a vote for mandatory universal salary for people out work of £2000 per month for EVERYONE !

    Cameron and Corbyn are both trying to save their politcal careers by selling the British people short, shame on them !

    If their record sucks for last 50 years why give them another 50 ? Just because they want to keep their nice titles and jobs ?

    EU laws benefit only big business not the small business.
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  7. zxspectrum

    zxspectrum Gigabyte Poster Premium Member

    Well, if you believe both sides we are screwed either way. But surely the way the EU is run is so undemocratic tells you one way and then on the flip side of that we live in what is perceived as a democracy means that no matter who you vote for/trust you will get shafted either way.

    When you look at the people who want you to leave, like Farage, Duncan Smith , Johnson and gove I think thats a reason to stay , then you look at the rest who want you to stay and the saying rock and a hard place comes to mind.

    One thing is certain, we seem to have spent more time and money on this debate than other stuff that matters like the NHS for example.

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