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What was your FireBrand Training Discount?

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by Elliot28, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. Elliot28

    Elliot28 Bit Poster

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    I was wondering what you got offer from FireBrand Training as a discount?

    I have spoken to a couple of guys there and they both offered there discounts, both saying "this is the best I can do"

    But managed to push them further for discount.

    What was your best discount you got?

    Thanks
    Elliot
     
  2. SimonD

    SimonD Terabyte Poster Moderator

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    To be fair that's a fairly harsh question and if I am honest I would advise not asking it because it can leave people with a bad taste in their mouth if they realise that they could have done better.

    My answer would be that if you're happy with the price on offer then accept it, if you're not then don't.

    I happen to like Firebrand and think that what they offer can be great for the right people, for the wrong people it can be their worst nightmare (it's long hours with a lot of information to take in and some people can't take it all in).

    Can I suggest you re-think this question because the last thing you want to do is start something that could get others irate because of peoples discounts.

    Finally, why are you looking at courses? I thought the suggestions offered previously suggested some self study? Again the last thing you want to do is go on any heavy duty bootcamp style training if you're not actually ready for it (especially if you're booking up for any Cisco training).

    Please really do think long and hard about what training you need and what route you should take because you don't want to be downtrodden in a couple of weeks\months time when you find it's all just too much for you.
     
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  3. Elliot28

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    Hi Simon,

    I meant no harm in asking, in fact I am not looking to go with them just yet, I am looking to self study, I have ordered a book for MTA network fundamentals

    This post was just because I was curious and was wondering if I would of been getting a good deal for I chose the self study option

    Regards
    Elliot
     
  4. dmarsh

    dmarsh Terabyte Poster

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    To be fair they aren't very upfront about their prices, which is why I've never used them.

    Their prices for A+ and N+ are ridiculous anyway, so if they gave you a hefty discount on that i'm not surprised.

    Paying £2k for certs that people braindump for peanuts is almost never a good idea.
    If you're paying for training then you probably don't want a bootcamp.
     
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  5. SimonD

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    Sorry but that really depends on your requirements, for me when I did my MCITP with Firebrand the bootcamp was ideal for a number of reasons.

    1. I was a contractor, not only did I have to pay for my own training but whilst on that training I wasn't getting paid.
    2. I already used the technology on a daily basis, this wasn't a case of learning the technology, it was a case of getting the right information in my head for the exams.
    3. I can't really do self study, I just don't have the time (1 5yo boy with a 2nd baby on the way (due in December)).

    Bootcamps definitely have their place and for me when I have done them have proven to be worthwhile both financially as well as timely.
     
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  6. dmarsh

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    I said if you want TRAINING, you used a bootcamp for CRAMMING, quite a different objective.

    I like the idea of weekend study groups in general. However I prefer to separate training from certification, seems a rather unhealthy alliance.

    Studying does take time, and self study can be slower, but there are CBT's, podcasts, ebooks, training guides, in many cases it need not be much slower, especially if you have to travel to a training provider and stay in a hotel.

    I sympathize with the children, but really I don't buy the 'no time to study' argument in general, if college students, professors, doctors, lawyers etc used the same argument where would we be ? Ultimately there is a set amount of stuff that must be learnt and practiced.

    You can possibly learn more efficiently by using different methods, but for people just starting out, bootcamp's have an inherent danger in that students won't be learning / training, they will be being coached for an exam and nothing else.
     
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  7. Rob1234

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    Once they get your phone number they will call you constantly very annoying!
     
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  8. BB88

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    Agreed. I gave my details just so I could look at the prices, and was bombarded with phone calls for several weeks. Perhaps I shouldn't give my details away so cheaply next time :)
     
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  9. dmarsh

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    I also had three months of calls asking if I wanted to pay £2k a pop for certifications I already had from self study.

    Would probably cost me £30k+ if I got all my certs from Firebrand.

    I'd save specialist trainers for specialist courses, stick with tech colleges for live training for entry level stuff.

    If you are going to do a specialist course, shop around, lot colleges run summer schools, lot distance learning available, etc.

    I've paid for two live courses recently, one on CUDA programming and one on Java Multi-threading, both were provided by universities. Neither involved certification.
     
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  10. Rob1234

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    Yes same way they got my number don't no why they do it really puts you off I even said to the guy after about the fifteen phone call I would not be using them because they annoyed me so much I would go else where then they called again the next day to see if I had changed my mind!
     
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  11. jvanassen

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    This has got me worried seeing you guys complaining about phone calls. I think i provided them with my e-mail address on there website around 3 weeks ago and i can see that one of there sales reps has visited my linkedin profile, seen who i work for, got my work number and has called for me this morning.

    I was looking on there website because my boss was talking about sending me on a Exchange course once i have worked through the Microsoft press book.
     
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  12. Rob1234

    Rob1234 Megabyte Poster

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    Sounds like you have been burnt by firebrand...
     
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  13. jvanassen

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    lol i got the receptionist to tell him i was busy and to drop me an e-mail. Didnt get an e-mail so no doubt he will continue to try again lol.
     
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  14. BB88

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    For specialist content, I'm sure they are very good. But their methods are a tad pushy for my liking.

    I remember reading reading SimonD's post on Firebrand. They cannot be all bad, it's just the sales people chasing their quotas no doubt.
     
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  15. pete.grant

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    Couldn't agree more dmarsh - I'm sick of seeing posts on here asking for the easiest way to do X or the quickest way to do Y.
     
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  16. SimonD

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    See I just don't get this, I get my compulsory 6 monthly call and that's it.

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    Pete, sometimes people just need the quickest way to do things, as I said in my post there are occasions where having a bootcamp style course works but it's obviously not for everyone (certainly not those looking for a quick win).

    For me the reason why rapid learning worked at the time was down to the fact I didn't fancy losing £k's in lost earnings from spending weeks\months away on courses (having looked into the individual training requirements it would have taken over 6 weeks to attend the required courses to pass the exams and as a contractor that just wasn't on the cards for me, working 16 - 18hours on the course for 12 days just made more sense to me.

    Now that I am a permy I tend to go for the more traditional course structure (4 - 5 day course with QA etc) and of course there are the weekend courses on offer from other training providers if the need arises.
     
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  17. scott28tt

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    I've worked with quite a few sales people who have worked for them - they run a VERY competitive and pressured sales operation compared to other training companies I've worked for...
     
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