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What Is Wrong With Youngsters These Days

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by craigie, Apr 20, 2010.

  1. craigie

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    My workplace decided to offer a position for a Apprentice to start working with us, this is for a school/college leaver, with what I would consider some decent wages for the position as well.

    They decided to approach a company who trains young people in A+, N+ and MCDST, they interviewed a few of them (all with amazing haircuts) and gave one of them an opportunity to start.

    The role was to log calls for the first week only, so we could get a feeling of what they where like, then progress onto desktop support issues.

    We would provide inhouse training for the first six months, being surrounded by eight third line support engineers (we support lots of companies who have inhouse IT, but use us for the complicated stuff). Then after six months we would send them onto external courses with the likes of QA to get their MCSA etc.

    Anyway he called in on his second day stating that he thought we would put him on his MCSE straight away and that he would be doing server side work and he doesn't want to come back.

    Naturally work told him to feck off.

    Most people would give there right arm for this kind of opportunity, or am I missing something?
     
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  2. BosonMichael
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    I feel bad for that guy... his expectations of an IT career are WAY off if that's what he expects. Reality will eventually set in as he attempts this same maneuver with other companies. Hopefully he realizes sooner rather than later what a huge mistake he's made with his first opportunity. After all, the first opportunity is the hardest to get... and he's set himself back to square one.
     
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  3. Col

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    Nope, you're not wrong. I would have killed for an opportunity like that. I guess there's just a lot of impatience for people to get ahead with undue haste sometimes. Plus maybe an element of thinking that first-line support and call-logging is 'beneath them'.
     
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  4. LukeP

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    Yep Craigie.

    That's how it is. I'd give my right leg (need both arms, sorry) to get a chance like that when I was looking for a job. Hell, I'd probably do it now as you're the best example what you can achieve in your company if working hard.

    Unfortunately that's how it is these days. Younger people are always high risk employees from what I've seen. They regularly take random days off due to being sick, half the time they're at work they're tired or miserable because they're asked to do boring stuff, they seem to care more about their breaks and working hours more than anyone else (9-5 not a minute longer!!!).

    Personally if I was responsible for recruiting (and I am not) I wouldn't hire anyone younger than 24 years old.
     
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  5. supernova

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    Makes me feel both sad and angry

    I would lop my right arm off for a opportunity like that!
     
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  6. craigie

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    I was amazed, he could have been sitting there alongside some of us working through issues asking us to guide him on what to look for next on Desktop issues and then we would have given him the opportunity to spend some time with us on the server stuff going through problems that we face e.g.

    OWA stops working for a company, how we troubleshoot it in Exchange 2007, checking IIS, recycling Application Pools, rebuilding Virtual Directories etc.

    We are still looking for someone, as work think it would be mutually benifical, and I agree, hopefully we will get the right person who wants to be in IT and have the right attitude.
     
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  7. craigie

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    Most of us are in our early thirties, so understand what you mean mate.
     
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  8. supernova

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    I agree sadly people fill youngsters minds with rubbish.

    Unfortunately a lot of universities do it, we have seen people this week with degrees that expect to walk into a job. One girl was so up her self she didn't even dress smart for interviews, thinks she is too good for many jobs and she hasn't got a cruel why shes still unemployed.
     
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  9. craigie

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    Anyone who isn't a muppet and wants a job in IT in Buckinghamshire, send me your CV lol

    Seriously, I think what has grated on me the most is the fact that I see alot of decent people posting on hear how hard it is to get there first opportunity and they get knocked back time and time again and this happens.
     
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    That's the thing though. Kids these days expect a good wage and a good job from the word go, that is why you see so many in the job centers signing on for jobseekers allowance. Unless the wage and job is gonna pay them more than what they get on the dole then they are not bothered.

    I saw something today where this guy had never worked before and he won't get a job unless he is paid more than £7 per hour and only has to work 6 hours a day.

    I would have killed for a position like that even if the pay was **** but we live in a get rich quick society and kids these days have the idea that you should be going for a career that will earn you loads of money and that you will start on mega bucks.
     
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    if the pay was ok then I would do it, opportunities don't come around like that very often. That guy sounds like a tool to pass that up.
     
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  12. wagnerk
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    No you're not missing something, half the youngsters now-a-days have a vision of what IT is like (especially since they use a computer at home and/or college, so they must be experts). It's the other half you need to find :)

    We were quite lucky with our IT Apprentice/Tech, but then again during the interview stages we actually laid out what we expected the person to do (and not to do), to achieve, the route that was going to be taken as well as rough time frame estimates.

    -Ken
     
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    If it wasn't for the trouble I would probably have getting a work permit and the trans-atlantic commute I would be all over this!
     
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  14. Col

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    I guess I'm going to sound like an old git here but I suppose when you're younger you expect to get it all - cool job, good hours and with a mega-wage. It's not till later that you realise that you've got to have all kinds of trade-offs - money v satisfaction etc. As I've said before, I fully expect to take a significant paycut when I get a chance to get into IT but I'm happy to do it because there's other things that are now more important. You've just got to decide what's the most important criteria for you.
     
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    Can I commute? :twisted:
     
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    I know exactly what you mean, some people i know have said as soon as they finish their degree they are guaranteed a job on at least 28k. Its the Universities trying to get more students with marketing like "Make your self irresistible to business" but really what they study is practically worthless to business.
     
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    Aaaaaand - that's exactly why 25% of graduates don't find a job for a year after leaving university.
     
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    Now next year when i finally graduate, thats the sort of chance id be looking for, as i know its a start and i also know that i cant expect everything to work out the way iwant. Some of the conversations i have with the younger students at my uni are mind blowing, they really are living in another world and i dont think any of them ate taking into account the economic climate, they think they will be alright.



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  19. GSteer

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    Damn, 7 years too late for me !

    Can only echo what everyone else has said, although I recognise a few traits of myself that I've now put to the grave luckily.
     
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  20. soundian

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    I had a similar problem a few years back when I was looking to take on another apprentice. They all wanted to be captain of the ship and do the responsible jobs requiring years of experience, but not the menial tasks necessary to get to that point.
    I ended up not bothering after a few like that.
     
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