What is a 'Training Provider' and how are they different from each other?

Oh man! Ad-blocking software has been detected! :'(

This website is run by the community, for the community... and it needs advertisements in order to keep running. Blocking our ads means your killing our stats!
Please disable your ad-block, or become a premium member to hide all advertisements and this notice.

That could be said about anyone in any given situation, if you dangle sweets in front of a child, do you really think the child is going to think about what would happen if they took the sweets?

Yes people, don't look before they jump (into the frying pan), but they a like everyone else on this planet, they make a mistake and learn by it! They either moan about it or do something about it!

:hhhmmm I disagree there, I think a lot of people get alarm bells ringing after they have been told they can be expected to be on £37K in their first job and the TP will guarantee them the job!

It's like that old saying "if it's too good to be true" it probably is! That's why alot people then search google and eventually end up finding Certforums! (IMHO)

I must of missed that thread? Can you expand on this?

2 threads??? I thought this was the only one?

I disagree, you can set yourself up to fail and most people who take the self study route, do that! By not sticking to their targets/goals and lossing their motivation to learn!

You sell yourself a dream, that sometime in the future you have a cert and be in a job you enjoy doing, earning a decent wage! But unless you put the time and effort into learning/studying and invest yourself then in the you ripping yourself off! (IMHO)

 

Oh man! Ad-blocking software has been detected! :'(

This website is run by the community, for the community... and it needs advertisements in order to keep running. Blocking our ads means your killing our stats!
Please disable your ad-block, or become a premium member to hide all advertisements and this notice.

GBL

A few of the guys have said how well this thread is going and that the fact in some sense, yes, we have to agree to disagree.

Do you always have to drag the thread down, I know and I'm pretty sure we all know by now you hate TP's with a passion. For once, let the thread commence without your hatred view on TP's with no back up of personal experinces.

This is not a direct attack on you personally as I do think you contribute 100% to CF, but sometimes, just sit back and let it go.

MrM

 

I would have, never like sweets anyhow unless they were cola bottles.

But they don't look because they have been fed full of BS.

I disagree, greed is the main thing that drives our society today, most people go for jobs that should offer them the most money. Remember our friend who thought he was gonna get 30k for his first IT job then decided to be a driving instructor since you earn 30k if you are one of them?

Which is BS just like the TPs state. With the driving instructor thing, you have to lease a car, pay for the fuel and get your own students. So you only earn 30k if your lucky.

It's like that old saying "if it's too good to be true" it probably is! That's why alot people then search google and eventually end up finding Certforums! (IMHO)

It was just a thread where I asked, why did I know that the MCSE was for pros and other people now don't know this.

HWn I was at college we had notices up talking about the MCSE (was for NT3.51 I think) talking about how it was a cert for pros, this info is also available on the Microsoft website. I was aksing why dont people know this? is it because if they get the MCSE they think they'll get big money or is it because they are ignorant.

aye two today, cant be arsed to dig them out.

Yep with self study you have to remain foccussed to achieve the goals but you aren't paying about 2 3rds of what it should cost you to study that cert. Each has their benefits and pitfalls but the more I see from TPs is pitfalls.

 

I guess my post wasn't read quick enough

 

were have I dragged this thread down? tell me and I will appologise.


Nowhere have I done so unless saying that there has been two threads today pointing out that they have been done by a TP. seems like there is always a 2 -1 in bad experiences with TPs

 

maybe I was typing when you were.

 

is that the ones with the sugar coated on them (I think there called fizzy cola bottles) or the ones without?

You don't like sweets? what about Hairbo Star mix?

yes and no! Some do go sign up knowing what hey have signed up for (like arroryn) others don't realise what they have got themselves into until they have to hand over a wad of cash or locked into a commitment, that is not flexiable! (as Dmarsh referred to).

I disagree, although with the above remark, you could get a job working for the labour party!

Some people choose IT because they enjoy it and yes they do look to see how much the wages are, because at the end of the day we have bills to pay!

Now this is where your opinion goes a bit cloudy! You referring to certain TP's that may lie through their teeth to get a person money! but not all TP's are like this and that's what you have yet to discover!

I don't blame you for feeling the way you do about TP's but I hope someday you will experience this!

:hhhhmmm I guess I will have to borrow wizards JCB digger and have a dig in the archive for the thread!

 

no never liked sweets choccy biscuits like Twix n jaffa cakes thats a different story

Don't get me wrong , I realise some people don't do their reseacrch until;l very late on, but that is the the keyword do research and work out your best options.

Obvousley some people choose IT because they love it, like me. But some people choose careers they believe will get the m oney the quickest (remember out friend?) He thought he would be on 30k with the A+ and no experience.

I realise that not all TPs are bad, but what seems to be the general way of things (Do a search) you'll more vthreads with bad xp than good xp.

LOL

 

but isn't that because people like to moan? I mean look at the news, would they report a plane that took off from London and landed safely in France? No they would report it if something bad had happen to it!

Do people really raise a thread on CF stating how fantastic TP's are and what a wonderful experience they have had with them?

Yes sometimes, but then someone has ago at them!
That's why there are very little threads on the postive side of TP's???
Because they get stoned to death, like people who post links to BD's sites.

Some members think if someone post about how wonderful a TP is they either work for them or they are talking out of their @ss. They might as well paint a target on their head or wear a sign saying please insult me I love TP's

So the majority don't post! That's the problem! can you see where I'm going with this or do I have to draw some pictures!

 

I have never read a thread on here that has slated soemone for going with a TP, I have read threads where people have had a bad experience and someone has said did you not consider self study instead of the TP..

I don't see where anyone has been insulted for going with a TP but people have said I have spent 4k on a course and they never got me a job. All people say is you shouldn't fall for the we will get you a job crap.

It may sway people if there were more threads on peoples good experiences with training providers but most of the time it's people complaining about their bad experiences.

 

A provider of training?

 

Been without an internet connection for the last 48 hours but this thread has turned out very informative with lots of valid points either way. I'm sure it won't be the last one on the subject either!

 

That is why I dislike them, when I saw the difference in cost by self study and the cost of self study with a TP I couldn't justify it.

I couldn't advise and wouldn't advise on a TPs material as I wouldn't know, I could only go by what someone has said.

Exactly, something can be good for one person but not for another.

Thanks, I only point out the cost thing as I have just recently came out of debt and it ruined my life for 5 years and has had a big knock on effect that will probably take another 3-4 years before I can get where I want to be. I don't want anyone to be in the same situation, people have commited suicide over what I just gone through, if I can stop people ruining their lives by getting into debt I will.

can't comment on this.

 

The A+ material was pretty average but since I've completed this course I believe my TP are now using Mike Meyers material which can only be a good thing. The 2 day class for this module were very informative and worthwhile.

Passed the 70-271 and currently studying 70-272 using the MS Press books supplied and Transcender mocks. Both of which are more than adequate. Only had the 2 day class for the 271 so far but again very useful.

I've been in contact with tutors on a few occasions and had prompt and informative responses.

All in all, more than happy with materials used and help from TP tutors.

T

 

Again, you misunderstood. Boson is a training provider not just because we offer training materials, but because we offer live classroom training.

 

But... that part of Boson's business cannot truly be separated from the other providers, as they actually have live classroom training, just like other classroom training providers. Granted, it's not a large portion of the business at all, and that's not what Boson is known for. But know that when I recommend self study, I'm turning people away from that side of our business, even though I believe Boson is one of the "good" TPs.

I think everything that's needed to be said has pretty much been said in this thread:

1) There are good TPs, and there are bad TPs.
2) You should always do your research before signing up for ANYTHING - including training - that costs that much money.
3) Most of the people here who advocate self study typically do because a) there are some bad TPs out there, and you can't rip yourself off doing self study, and b) unbeknownst to many newbies, you don't HAVE to take a course to pursue a certification, and you can save a lot of money by foregoing the course.

What more needs to be said?

 

Has anyone successfully withdrawn from a course with a traingin provider and received a refund in full of their fees? I signed up in Feb this year after giving it a lot of thought.

I've worked in the Civil Service for 16 years and wanted a change of career that would provide better job satidfaction and enable me to earn more money quicker. I weighed up all of the pro's and cons and decided to go for it. My main concern was "how would I get a foot in the door within the IT industry with a qualification and little experience?" I currently earn just over 20K a year and made it clear that unless I would be in a position to better that figure by 3 or 4 grand more a year there was no way I would consider embarking on a change of direction. The "salesman" told me that with my previous working experience that there was no way I would take a drop in salary and would be able to achieve my stated aim. What convinced me was what I was told next. "When you go for an interview you are the only one in for the position. It is your job to lose". This was also rpeated in front of my wife at a second visit. That was the main thing that swung it for me when I made my decision. I have since discovered that this was a complete lie and I would be competing with everyone else for jobs i.e people with the same or beter qualifications and more importantly the experience.

I spoke to the Training Provider and told them I was mis-sold the training and wanted to withdraw with a full refund. They told me that I had been told a load of rubbish and would look into my claim. I received a letter at the weekend to say that they had spoke to the guy who came to see me and could not confirm what I had said. As far as they are concerned they will do they can to help me meet my aim of working in IT and if I have any issues with the fees I need to take it up with the loan provider.

All as I expected but I am taking this further and would appreciate any advice from anyone who has had a similar experience.