US Military computer hacked - Is crime worth the sentence?

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You have proff that he didn't zeb? If he shut down 2000 computers for a 24 hour period you know as well as I do that the cost could and probably was high. Not to mention what computers he shut down. Could it have been links to some of our people out on missions. Was any deaths cause that we will never know about because of security reason? The bastard broke into our pentagon computers. How many lives did he put at risk because his nose is to big for his face?

To grim
He should not have to face our courts because he is just being made an example of? He should not have to pay the price that one of americans would if we would have done the same thing just because he is in your country not ours? It was our security he hacked why should he not be judged in our courts?

 

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i never said it was ok what he did because it's not, it's the fact the US are making a mountain out of a mole hill and his punishment of "trespassing" does not warrant 70 years (3 life sentences) in prison, which is more than a rapist or murderer gets. i agree he should be punished but in the UK and with a punishment that fits the crime.

grim

 

Fair point Mitz, but think you might be taking this too seriously or personal. I don't think anyone is advocating he's right in doing what he did but what we are saying seems too harsh a sentence.

Again, if the military and intelligent agencies computers were down for 24 hours then hey yep that might have had consequences we don't know about. I just hope no life was put at jeopardy owing to he's ignorant hack on the US military's computer systems.

 

because its your country not ours and he's english not american and bound by the british law while on british soil. if england didn't expedite there would be nothing you could do about it and the only way he would face court would be if he went to the US. if he was to face the death sentence he wouldn't be expedited because its the British law. if he had committed the crime whilst on US soil i agree he should be expedited if he returned to the england but because he didn't i don't agree with the decision to expedite him.

grim

 

Grim hun, I am taking this very seriously. He broke into our pentagon. That is our Department of Defense.

 

That's why he has to be punished, but what I'm driving at is that the sentence seems too steep and a bit unfair

 

No they should not. Do you give a burgler a job as a locksmith just because he is good at picking locks?

 

That would be very much far from what would happen and is definately not an option at all in this case. They want Gary to fry for what he has done. I personally, think he is being used as a scapegoat

 

you need to check the names on the posts not the pics coz me and onoski have similar avatars

its a shame you and your ministry of defense don't share the same views as they might of put up more than basic security and if they had he might not of even got through the door.

are you saying stealing knowledge is 3 times worse than sexual abuse and killing because i don't?

grim

 

opps, so sorry. Forgive me?

I am saying breaking into our Defense base is right up there with them, and belive me, a rapist would wish for 70 years if I got to give his sentance.

 

Just what do you think would be fair if it was your gov computer and defense dept that he hacked?

 

He didn't infiltrate UK military sites... he infiltrated US military sites. If he'd rather have been punished in the UK, he should have pursued "UFO information" on the computers in the UK.

As far as the crime not warranting 70 years... do you know how many people can die when confidential information is leaked to the wrong people? Many more people can die or be harmed than just one or two. He should be lucky he's not executed on the spot.

Regardless of whether the penalty is excessive or not, if you can't do the time, don't do the crime. That's the penalty for hacking into a US military system, so that's the penalty he has to serve if he's found guilty.

For the record, I think rapists and murderers get off light.

 

Only one problem with that... he launched what is considered an attack against the US military (though he, and you, certainly don't see it as such). If somebody in the US hacked computers in the UK government/military, the UK would certainly demand that the US extradite him/her... and I'd support their decision to do so.

 

This makes a lot of sense as am in no way taking sides as I don't know this guy personally. However, the point you raised above makes perfect sense.

In a way I think he is not very smart hacking into the US military computer systems when caught says he was looking for UFO, for starters there is no sure things as UFO. I think Gary Mckinnon watches too much sci fi's

Sorry, just had to put in that last sentence. In a way he probably would get what he deserves, as certainly if he had hacked into the UK's government or military computers he would have met a blocked wall.

On the other hand if caught would of got off lightly with a community sentence which is like a house arrest.

 

...unless he DID manage to make it through their defenses, and even accidentally came away with confidential information that could, for example, get an MI5/MI6 agent killed, or leak nuclear information to terrorists, or any number of horrible things. Then you'd see them administer more justice than a house arrest, I can guarantee you.

The French, however, would surrender upon the first observation that someone was intruding into their computer systems.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

he was trying to find technology that the US supposedly processed that would help the 3rd world, how can a man trying to help millions be regarded as worse than rapists and murders. rapists and murders are in a different league, they're the ones who should get 70 years they're the scum of the earth.

grim

 

if he was to be executed or taken to guantanamo bay he wouldnt have been expidited at all. England doesn't expedite people who are to be executed and the english courts said he wouldnt be expedited if he was to go to guantanamo bay either.

It was all down to the english courts as to why hes being expedited if they had said no he would have got away with it and he still might as he's appealing to the houses of common to fight it.

grim

 

I think the guy has skills, he should be put to use but under military control... 70 years in jail is abit too much... maybe 20 years or something even still thats more than enough...Then again we dont know to what extent how much information he knows about what? If its important information then put him away for as long as needed.

I still think someone with hacking skills this good should be put to use and not put in jail, punishment i agree...like someone mentioned working for the military with no wage just freedom of the camp or base with supervision would be enough, then eventually let him back into society?

However you look at it, this guy proved nothing is impossible by hacking the pentagon - he should be teaching counter hacking to the military

tough one to call

- i also agree people who commit rape and murder do get off lightly! In the UK its like stupid the length of time people get inside for what they do.. 2 years for death by dangerous driving and under the influence of alcohol, pppffft give me a break!

 

i don't see how the US take security so highly but implement it so badly. they're chucking the book at him because he's embarrassed the government

grim

 

Actually... he was looking for information on UFOs.