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Underpaid? Should I look for another job?

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by runiu, Oct 17, 2007.

  1. runiu

    runiu Nibble Poster

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    Hi!

    I'm working as an computer engineer six months already...50 hours a week, only sunday is off...
    I've got 1 year experience.
    What I do :
    -support for home users, I resolve problems with Pc's (virus,bsod,all windows problems etc)
    -support for home

    I earn 14500 per year (975 a month). Do you think it's fine ? Should I earn more?
    I work in London

    Thanks for any response
     
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  2. greenbrucelee
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    Thats shite especially for London, but then again everyone has to start somewhere.
     
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  3. wagnerk
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    If you're working 50 hours weeks, then I suggest you reading up on the EU Working Time Directive (here). It states that you can only work over 48 hours a week if you want to, employers can not force you to work more than that (it also states what is/what isn't classed as working time).

    While it isn't a great wage, especially for London, like GBL stated it is a starting point on which to build. However there are other IT jobs out there that pay less (along the lines of minimum wage).

    From what you've described, if sounds like you only support home users:

    If you want to climb up the career ladder (since you've got 1 years experience), the next move imo, would be to start making the move into the corporate environment (multi-users, domains, etc). Again you may have to start at the bottom on roughly the same wage, but at least you'll be able to move on up, plus most likely you won't have to work over 40 hours a week. Or the other option would start to see about supporting small to medium businesses.

    This is just my opinion, the choice of staying here you are or leaving is your decision only.

    -ken
     
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  4. ffreeloader

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    I don't know about you, but I think there is more to job satisfaction than just money. I've worked places where I made good money, but hated going to work in the morning. I've also worked in places where I didn't make a whole lot of money, but loved going to work in the morning.

    How do you like your job overall? Do you work with good people? Is your employer honest with you? Did you know when you signed up that you would be working lots of hours, or did they just pile that on you because they could? Do you have good benefits other than just your paycheck?

    If you go someplace else, just for the money, will you necessarily like it there better, or is the money issue critical to you at this juncture? That's not a moral question, but one associated with your financial situation. Do you need the extra money to survive financially, or would a high pressure environment with higher pay some place else make it so you didn't like going to work? Is there any opportunity to move up where you are if you stay? Does the company you are now working for promote internally before they look externally to fill a position?

    These are the kinds of things I look at when considering money, jobs, job satisfaction, etc.... Your mileage may vary.
     
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  5. Modey

    Modey Terabyte Poster

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    Good points from both WagnerK and Freddy there, couldn't really add anything other than to agree with them.
     
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  6. Mitzs
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    I agree with you freddy about likeing ones job. However, in my exp, if your complaining about the money then you are not happy with the job. And runiu post does not sound like he is very happy. It sounds to me as if he does not feel like he is appricated there at all.
     
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  7. ffreeloader

    ffreeloader Terabyte Poster

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    All I was doing, Mitzs, was giving him different ways of looking at things. He's the only one that knows his real state of mind, and his situation. I've made moves for only the money in my life, and regretted them big time afterwards. I just forgot for a while what was really important to me. If someone had gotten me to think about other aspects of job satisfaction at that time they would have been doing me a huge favor.

    I'm just trying to do for him what I wish had been done for me a time or two.
     
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  8. BosonMichael
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    Brilliant advice by Ken and Freddy... I agree completely.
     
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  9. Mitzs
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    Easy there freddy. I said I agree with you. Was not na saying you in anyway! All I said was that to me he sounds like he does not feel appreciate. Because I agree with what you said I use your post for a quote. :blink
     
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  10. ffreeloader

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    I said what I said in my post to you because I thought I had things bad where I was too. I bitched, and moaned, and complained daily because I thought I was being underpaid. Maybe I was, maybe I wasn't. All I know, is that where I thought I was so unhappy at that time wasn't really all that bad, and had I been prompted to really think about things, I would have realized that. Where I went, I made more money, but I really did hate it there. The boss was dishonest. He thought he could bully me into being dishonest with the customers I took care of too. He treated his help like crap. He and his brother screamed at people daily, and drank like fish, on the job. At the same time they had rules about such behavior and fired anyone who came to work hung over. I left in less than 6 months because of the conditions of employment.

    That happened to me more than once. I guess I'm just a really slow learner..... :rolleyes:
     
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  11. ManicD

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    Thats the starting salery of a job i'm applying for in east sussex

    this job stats pay rises upto 19,000 with 18 months, rising upon attaning each of the ECDL, A+, N+ and Security+

    I would say, that you should gain a officail qualification then ask for a pay rise
     
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  12. greenbrucelee
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    good idea there.

    get you A+ and take it from there, as I see you are working towards it.
     
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  13. runiu

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    When I applied for this job there were over 100 applicants with certs...But I was the only one who passed the test...and my boss told me one of the applicants with MCSE, MCSA etc. couldn't change PSU ;)
     
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  14. BosonMichael
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    ...and that's why experience beats certifications every time.
     
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  15. Bambino1506

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    They're having a laugh aren't they ? no way anyone could survive on that salary in any part of England let alone London !!

    Salary should be double that for field engineer in London.
     
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  16. mattwest

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    Although i do agree that money isnt everything there is a certain amount you need in order to achieve things in life. For example buying a house or supporting a family (by supporting i dont mean struggling to make ends meet, i mean having a good life for you and the family).

    For example if i wanted a job a truely truely enjoyed i would still be working for a school as IT Manager as i got a real sense of satisfaction from that job. However on 13k a year it would have taken me something like 8 years to save 25k for a house deposit.

    I now work in a job i enjoy 90% of the time but can save that kind of money in 2 to 4 years....

    My point is that you need to be in a job you are happy with, but if you want to buy a house or go on nice holidays (etc etc yada yada) then sometimes you have to sacrifice 10 or 20 percent of your happiness to achieve these things. As an example if i suddenly found out i had a child on the way i might pick up a second job stacking shelves, anything so i could provide (step up to the plate and be a man). I wouldnt enjoy it but i think you sometimes have to sacrifice some happyness when you are younger so you can enjoy later life. (As it happens i actually have a second job.... anything i can do to get a foot on the property ladder!!) :blink

    And if you mange to get both a good wage and a dream job....... well thats just a bonus :biggrin

    So if you feel undervalued and underpaid move on.... yeah you might be in the same position again.... but then again you might find a good job.... it's all a game of chance! (But you can do some things to sway the odds in your favour such as qualifications etc)...
     
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