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UK file-sharers to be 'cut off'

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  1. UKDarkstar
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    UK file-sharers to be 'cut off'

    The government has published new measures that could see people who illegally download films and music cut off from the net.

    The amendment to the Digital Britain report would see regulator Ofcom given greater powers to tackle pirates.

    The technical measures are likely to include suspending the net accounts of "hardcore copyright pirates".

    It is believed that Business Secretary Lord Mandelson has intervened personally to beef up the policy.

    The Digital Britain report, published in June, gave Ofcom until 2012 to consider whether technical measures to catch pirates were necessary.

    However, according to a statement from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills released on Tuesday, that timeframe is now considered "too long to wait".

    Full story : here

    There has been a follow-up news item with responses from ISP's. See this thread
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2009
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    1. jk2447
      I personally think its the only way to stop the piracy. The only problem is, due to the nature of computers and their more nefarious users, it probably won't be long before another way is found around this . . . . .
    2. rax
      1 movie rar'd into, say, 10 parts and given some random name like "Family trip to Az-pt1", uploaded to a file storage site, rapidshare, megaupload etc. and encrypted with a password... How could they tell? I doubt they can.
    3. ericrollo
      I think its wrong, i have no money but the money i do have i spend on things like DVDs. If piracy was not an option i would just see less films because i cant afford to buy any more.

      Students should be exempt to a point i think.
    4. zebulebu
      Are you being serious? I can't decide whether this is a troll attempt or not
    5. jk2447
      You already get money off stuff with your NUS card, that the employed don't get, and I'm pretty sure that includes a percentage off anything in HMV! Piracy is stealing, plain and simple
    6. wagnerk
      I really believe that they are going after the wrong people to start off with. The problem stems from people who upload them in the first place and that's where they should be starting.


    7. JonnyMX
      I think it's only right and proper.

      The main problem I see with it is who gets to police it and how reliable will they be?
      Who gets to decide the difference between an illegal download and a legal one?

      I can just see innocent people being cut off and going through hell to get reconnected - or horror stories from people who have bought a house from someone who had been cut off...
    8. Len
      I'd love to see them actually enforce this.

      Until then.. I think i'll keep file sharing..
    9. rax
      Like I said above, there's more to file sharing than obvious things like torrents and p2p apps...

      HMV are not going to be doing student cards anymore I believe, maybe I'm wrong.

      Places like iTunes could maybe do some kinda student discount thing though, that could help a little.
    10. jk2447
      I think you have a very good point here Ken, cutting off the supply is going to reduce the amount of piracy.

      I personally don't feel it is possible to eliminate enough uploaders as its my understanding that any jack ass can upload something, its more the thousands that download it that makes the dents in the profits for the software/record/movie companies etc.

      I agree entirely with Ken that going after the uploaders stops this at the root but as it only takes 1 person to upload a DVD for instance, and before the an authority can shut him down, 1000 people have dowloaded it, thats 1000 x £9.99 less for Warner Brothers or Sony etc.

      I'm of the opinion that the only way to stem the tide of pirates, its to make the downloaders aware and accountable. I don't think there's any way to eradicate piracy as we live in a digital age, but seeing as downloaders I'd imagine account for 99.99% and uploaders account for 0.01% (my own guestimate folks), going after the downloaders of copyright material would reduce the losses caused by piracy more than going after the uploaders of it.

      Just my random thoughts at a late hour

      Last edited: Aug 26, 2009
    11. soundian
      Although I'm no copyright expert it seems to me that downloading a copyrighted work is not illegal. Subsequently using it is, which makes downloading it a bit of a waste of time if you're trying to stay onside with the law.
      The BPI are very vocal about the fact that when you buy a CD you're not buying the song, the physical CD or even the bits and bytes that make up the songs. You're buying a licence to use the bits and bytes in a domestic environment.
    12. westernkings
      Too be blunt, it's not as if people that download stuff do it to avoid buying it, they were never going to buy it, and never are going to buy it.

      If anything, hearing a random song someone as downloaded that they have heard in a film, has actually made them download a few albums from Itunes.

      All this talk about money being taken away from the companies is complete bollocks simply because they would never have earned it in the first place.

      Those that buy Music and films, will buy music and films, those that don't, never will, never have, and nothing anyone does is going to make them. If they can't download it, they simply won't watch or listen to it.

      The way they report damage to the industry is absurd and seriously exaggerated and dramatic.

      I'm not saying downloading things illegally is right before anyone gets on their high horse, I'm saying that I wouldn't buy into this bull**** these companies spring to make it look like they are going under because someone who was never going to buy the film anyway, watched it.

      Basically, cut off the down-loaders, do whatever you need to do, but if you think your all of a sudden going to make more money, or less losses, they are being delusional, the idea that cutting off a downloader is going to somehow generate a sale is complete nonsense. You are still going to lose money regardless, all your going to do is reduce the exposure of your products.
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    13. jk2447
      I couldn't disagree with you more. Exposure through illegal downloads? Companies spend billions on advertising. Loose money regardless? How has any company made it big then? Microsoft for instance. Sorry couldn't DISagree more.
    14. UKDarkstar
      There has been a follow-up news item with responses from ISP's. See this thread
    15. westernkings
      I was Specifically referring to music with that part;

      Answer this; How many times have you bought an album because you saw an advert for 30 seconds on a TV or a poster at a bus stop?

      now, how many times have you bought an album or song because you heard it somewhere outside of marketing? IE, on someone elses Ipod or PC, a website, attached to a youtube video etc etc etc?
    16. jk2447
      Word of mouth you mean? Loads. Can I ask you something? How many albums will Oasis say, continue to release if their only making 50k between them for the album because all the download junkies don't want to pay. Ultimately I'd loose out if they or anyone else thought sod this, its more trouble than its worth to create the music
      Last edited: Aug 26, 2009
    17. JonnyMX
      I think we're probably well into the point where media and distribution has to change to keep up with current technology and trends.

      Problem is, we're up against a few big industries who like things as they are, and will need more than a few geeks downloading stuff in order to prompt them to change.

      The best way to get rid of something like file sharing is to embrace it. Make it official, license it, sort out how you are going to make some money out of it and invest in technology to keep it secure. There's nothing there that we can't technically do already.

      I for one would be happy to pay a few quid for an album that I could download safely and quickly somewhere like itunes rather than mess around with free file sharing and end up getting a grainy copy of the new Star Trek film in Japanese. Or porn. Or a virus.
    18. ThomasMc
      here here rep for that man
    19. Josiahb
      Yep, Rep for JonnyMX.

      I hadn't actually looked at the digital britain report until these news items popped up, I'm reading it as we speak. The main thing thats struck me? Christ its badly formatted, the margins wonder all over the place. Oh and:

      "most importantly for the political leadership of the Prime Minister, whose recognition
      of the importance of this sector and the need for a coherent strategy are what has
      made this work possible."


      EDIT: One more, "and increasingly electronic literature" is this phrase missing some punctuation? or is that just me?
      Last edited: Aug 26, 2009

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