Training Provider Vs Self Study

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BTW if I sleep it's only for a very short time. I once got tested for a week and my average sleep for every day was 3,78 hours.

I am always awake I just wish the CIA would take notice and train me futher in sniping concepts. I've already done a basic sniping course. Then I could take out the bad guys with no rest.

 

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Better put than me. Yeah Colleges and TPs cost self study hardly costs. With self study the only person you can rip off is yourself.

Cost is the main factor for anyone, I am sorry but if anyone has done the A+,N+ and MCDST through a TP and has paid over £865 (this inlucudes teacher pay). Then you have been well and truly ripped off and I feel sorry for you.

 

Actually that's what I meant by classroom based? After all college's, University's, long distance, they all provide some sort of training your chosen subject! So to me they are training providers (in a broad sense)

 

Fair play GBL, but that's your opinion and not everyone elses

 

Is that because you've got things on your mind or stressed or just because your a party animal

 

I got into debt big time when I was at uni. Who knows maybe this has predudiced me against paying for courses. I know for a while at uni I never slept and it didn't matter how much ganja I smoked and vodka I drank. The thing is my debt has passed I don't smoke weed all day long or drink vodka when I am on the piss, I still don't sleep.

 

Interesting:hhhmmm what course did you read at University?

 

I did Business Computing at Leeds.

 

Excellent point, trouble is IT is not a 9-5 job for most people and one weeks worth of training a year with the companies annual £2k training budget won't cut it. You need to constantly train and retrain yourself to be successful in IT.

If they want to compare number of certs against cost myself or BM will blow them away, self study is always the cheapest and often the most efficient too.

I have had some professional training in my career paid for by previous employers, 90% of it was non cert related, 10 courses at around £2-3k a pop. Around 70% of my self study in my career was also non cert related. Literally many thousands of man hours and reading 100's of computer books.

I also have a HND, an Honors Degree, and around 11 certs.

When someone goes for a job that has spent £2-4k on a few certs spoon fed to them do you think the employer is gonna be impressed ?


I think traditional education and college learning should not be lumped in with training providers for the survey.
I also think its quite easy to make a comparison of what you think a training provider offers relative to college courses and self study and conclude its generally poor value for money.

Anyone who can't be motivated to read at least 5 computer/work related books a year should really get out of IT...

 

Exactly right although getting in in the first place is the hardest part.

Agreed

Agreed again. There is a total difference between learning at a college and learning at a TP.

Not so sure about 5 but I agree that some technical manuals/magazines or books should be read. Keeping up with technology and your specific role should be a mandatory thing as IT is always changing.

 

Thank you Arroryn a truley excellent post.

That'sinteresting you get nagged from the TP? I always wondered if they have a student portal on their website? Do they even have a forum?

 

I wonder if all these tp's change their fee's to a more realistic value. Woud this change peoples mind/feelings about them or is it more to do with how the courses are run and how the courses are taught?

 

You can still take the certs self study to demonstrate learning. A training provider is in no way required for this.

There are some similarities, especially to badly run college or university courses. I think the main difference is that there are some standards for colleges and universities. Also the general level of support I recieved and number of hours of direct tuition i recieved was excellent, the cost per hour of quality tuition which should be the true metric is therefore much lower. The number of direct contact hours for training providers seems very low in general.

In the ideal case a college or university will ideally have some academic principles and will not allow unsuitable students on their courses and will teach fundamentals and not just what is the latest fashion or in demand by students targeted by corporate marketing.

Good university experience will set you up for something better, this is not always on offer in all jobs, you could easilly spend years on menial tasks.

Well I was being deliberately provocative, but I still believe this to be true, see how long a career as a programmer would last otherwise, if you do the minimum you will quickly be surpassed by those who do more and not only will you not progress but you may also fail to retain your current position.

Basically the training provider message of a gravy train for lazy people with £4k does not exist...

 

:hhhmmm good post dmarsh26..thanks for your feedback

 

If I were an employer I would be more impressed by the guy who say had the A+, N+ and MCDST through self study than the guy who has the A+,N+,MCDST and MCSA through a TP but thats just my opinion.

Yes uni had a great tuition and support for me too but we were also told that a good wage awaited for us when we finished, which I believed at the time.

Exactly right, a uni or college will only accept a student if they have the required grades, a TP will accept anyone if they have the cash.

University does not always work out well for someone.

 

Hi guys

You are everyone so far who has used a TP. Can we know which one you used?

Arroryn, Bluerinse, disarm, Dunny, Ence, Gingerdave, JonnyMX, Mr Machfisto, Mr.Cheeks, UCHEEKYMONKEY, UKDarkstar, wagnerk, zcapr17

I'll start:

I used NITLC

 

Very true - to get any cert through self study shows a level of keeness and motivation

And yet people still believe the promotional spill from tp's and university. So! tell me GBL why didn't you research the industry before your degree?? Instead of taking face value of what was said/promise from your degree?

It's a question of what you put into a degree/course you get out of it!

Let's face it if you do the minimum then you'll get very little out of it!