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Thinking of taking the CCNA + CCNP course

Discussion in 'General Cisco Certifications' started by Isador, Jun 19, 2008.

  1. Isador

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    Hi Everyone,

    Just as a introduction I finished university a few months ago for a BSc Computer Science degree (with a emphasis on networking). I really enjoyed the networking part of the course (be it more theoretical than hands on). I'm in a temp job at the moment in IT, but mainly technical support with hardly any networking exposure.

    Therefore, in order to apply for a networking job I'm planning on taking some Cisco courses and then changing job (i'll remain in my current job to financially support myself throughout this course), and I have a few questions is someone could impart some wisdom on me please :).

    First of which, with my degree involving networking modules I already know quite a bit about IPv4/IPv6/DNS/DHCP/VLAN/OSPF/RIP/IGRP etc etc etc... so how quickly do you think i could progress through the CCNA?

    Also, as far as I know anyone can get the course material (books etc) and take the exams at a registered center (please tell me if I'm wrong), or they can acquire tuition. A local sixth form does tutor guided lessons, and mentions people with previous experience can skip the first module. Modules 2,3 and 4 from this sixth form will cost £950. However, considering my degree, would it just be better to get some books, know the appropriate IOS commands, and register + take the exams?

    I think I may stay in my current job for about 6 months or so, depending on how quickly i progress through the exams.

    I'm also interested in taking the CCNP after the CCNA, so with relevance to my current situation any advice would be most appreciated,

    Thanks,

    Isador.
     
  2. greenbrucelee
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    Hi Welcome :)

    It depends on how much experience you are getting in Networking.

    The CCNA shouldn't be done by people looking for their first IT job as it as an advanced cert meant for people with experience and it can lead to finding a job harder if the applicant does not have the required experience.

    Have you looked at compTIA N+ first?
     
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  3. Isador

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    In my job i'm getting no experience in networking but as i've mentioned I've learnt a lot of the theory from my university degree. I was even sponsored to take the CCNA during sixth form (but didn't have time to complete as I was off to uni, but i did a lot of the module 1 stuff)
     
  4. Sparky
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    It’s difficult to land a networking job using Cisco kit. Why? Because generally Cisco equipment is used in larger companies and making a mistake can mean downtime for hundreds or even thousands of users.

    Personally I would aim to get more desktop experience and then move into server admin. After that you can perhaps move into a Cisco role as you will have enough commercial experience. 8)
     
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  5. BosonMichael
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    I would second (third?) this advice.
     
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  6. Isador

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    Hmmm Ok. So with my fondness for networking would something like a MCTS be more appropiate? ie:

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    • IP addressing and services
    • Names resolution
    • File and print services
    • Network access and remote access
    • Monitoring network services
     
  7. derkit

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    I would say without commercial experience, even server admin from the outset may be a bit of a far stretch, as Sparky suggested - desktop support experience is a good place to start (considering all (without fail) of our end-clients use them)
     
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  8. Isador

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    Well I suppose I should have mentioned that I done a one year placement as part of my work experience working in IT infrastructure with a focus on support/admin, although this didn't involve a lot of network configuring etc.
     
  9. Sparky
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    It rarely does when you start out in IT. Did you get near any Active Directory admin?
     
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  10. Isador

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    Yes I used it pretty much every day for:

    Network Drive access
    Application access
    Mailing lists
    Citrix access
    etc... (Also created new groups and assigned these to various things)

    Although I wasn't involved with the initial set up as it was for a worldwide company
     
  11. Kraven

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    I really find it hard to understand why people think just having a certification will get them a job.

    Dude get some real experience as a tech and work your way up the ladder before thinking about advanced certifcations. If I was an employer, advertising for Cisco techs I certainly wouldn't employ someone with a CCNA and no experience.

    Kraven
     
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  12. Sparky
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    Cool, you are probably not quite at the level to get into a Cisco role just yet though. Don’t take that the wrong way though, I’m only just starting to take on networks with Cisco kit myself!

    Thought about the A+, Network+ and MCDST? Then perhaps MCSA....
     
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  13. Isador

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    Why do you think im not at the level to go into a Cisco role yet? I'll have a look at the Network+. The A+ seems a bit basic and the MCSA is outdated now... (MCTS is the new one).
     
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    Hmm...you have no Cisco experience??

    I lol'd at that :)
     
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  15. Sparky
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    Because you have no networking experience. 8)

    MCSA outdated? Are you having a laugh! :biggrin
     
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  16. Isador

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    I don't see a MCSA for Windows Server 2008.

    Also, isn't it part of the point of taking a Cisco/MS certification to obtain knowledge and practical experience of associated equipment and technologies? And afterwards attempt to get an appropiate job in that area?
     
  17. Sparky
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    True, how many Server 2008 networks do you see though?

    Not many, but there is a shedload of Server 2003, Server 2000 and even NT networks that need to be supported making some of the older certs just as valuable. 8)
     
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  18. Isador

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    Well if I were to obtain a MS cert i'd rather go for the most up to date. Even with learning the server 2008 stuff it shouldn't be that difficult to do the same tasks on a 2003 box.
     
  19. Sparky
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    Some things may be similar but there are big differences between the operating systems. Its up to you mate but some HR staff don’t even know what the up to date Server 2008 certs are yet so having MCSE, MCSA or MCP on your CV is always a bonus.
     
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  20. Isador

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    Ok fair enough I see your point. So is your reccomendation as it stands to obtain some sort of MS cert (we'll say for arguments sake, windows server 2003 MCSE) or a Network+ (although i dont see how that would differ much from a CCNA) rather than a CCNA etc? or possibly a combination of both ie CCNA + MCSE?
     

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