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Salary Increase P@ss Take

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by michael78, Apr 11, 2008.

  1. michael78

    michael78 Terabyte Poster

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    I just wanted peoples opinion on this. I've been working for a very large shipping company for 6 months now and have just been given our pay review letter stating I'm going to get.......wait for it..........F@ck all increase. I'm now wanting to resign as I personally think this is an insult as I look after the Newcastle Office and flog my arse off and know that others are getting increases but they are trying it on because I've only been here 6 months. At the worst I was expecting a small increase now I would have to wait for another year whilst cost of living has went up.

    Am I being an idiot or am I correct to leave?
     
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  2. hbroomhall

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    Depends on what is in your contract, and what you were promised when you joined.

    Most places I've been in only award increases when you have been there a year at least.
     
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  3. kevicho

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    In fairness 6 months isnt long, and i dont think it would look great on your cv to be honest.

    What I would do is make a list of all your responsibilities, achievements etc, and focus on the ones not in your job description, this is good for showing you are actually doing more work than you are contracted for, also it should be reflected fairly in your wage packet.

    Also ask if there is anything more you can do and if they are happy with your work, and if there are areas you could improve.

    If you get yes to all these (or no to the more work or improvement bit) then suggest that a cost of living increase would help you out in areas that beneift them such as training or making it to work in the morning due to the extra cost of petrol and the fact that it would also make you a happier employee.

    Try to avoid mentioning a payrise until the last minute is what I am trying to say, its a salesy type technique i learned off "how to make friends and influence people".
     
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  4. derkit

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    hmmm, I would say its "fair". I was only in my job 6 months before the pay review came around - I got zip.
    A year later (this month) I've just got a 2% pay increase.

    If its anything like my company, everyone is somehow on a different salary, so some will get an increase others won't.

    I wouldn't leave because of the pay - I knew what the salary was when I started, and if I didn't agree with it I shouldn't have signed the contract. I also don't assume that I will get a pay rise - I didn't this year, but was pleasantly surprised when I did. My desire to stay/leave would not depend on pay unless my circumstances changed, ie, baby.

    Prices get more expensive all the time, I took that into account when I started this job 18 months ago, and was happy with it.

    I do think you're over-reacting slightly - we all get paid to do a job, if we work harder than others, slow down - if we don't want to (and I fall in this category) then take solice in the fact you enjoy your work.

    All this is assuming that everything else is hunkey-dory at your work.
     
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  5. michael78

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    The thing is whilst my wife was pregnant at the time when I took the job we now have a very expensive baby boy. I at least thought they would give me the cost of living increase. I feel realy cheesed off but am not going to make a stupid and rash decision. I have turned down offers whilst working here but to loyalty but now thats out the windows.

    I think I'll have a word with my Manager on Moday when he's back and ask him why I didn't get anything. If anything this had spurred me on to complete my MCSA and then leave. I have no loyalty now and will listen to offers instead of turning them down. I've already put my CV online again. I am worried about how my CV will look but I want the best for my family and this wasn't what I expected.
     
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  6. BrizoH

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    I think it comes down to 3 things:

    1: Are you happy in your job?

    2: Do you need more money to get by? (I would say want but we all want more :D)

    2: Can you get more money elsewhere?

    If you're not happy and can earn more elsewhere then go for it. Obviously don't resign until you have your new job sorted out though.

    I was promised a pay rise which still hasn't materialised and it sucks, I'm now actively seeking alternative employment as it completely demoralised me and made me lose faith in my employer. Whereas before I would happily work extra hours/weekends and take on more responsibility at the moment I'm going through the motions until I find something better.

    Good luck
     
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  7. derkit

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    That's the point I was thinking of - "big" changes in circumstances, and not just the whimpsical desire to get a new plasma screen - like what BrizoH was saying.

    In view of the CV, you could put in down as "contract" work - ie, 6 months is a reasonable length of contract work ??
     
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  8. sunn

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    After the first year I started in my current role I was offered a pay raise of 0%. Saying that, I don’t go into a job (or year) thinking about potential pay increase or bonus – I know some people do, but that’s not me. I'd leave if I thought (and could prove to myself) I wasn't treated fairly. :hammert

    Your manager is out-of-town? How did you get the news of your pay increase (or lack thereof)? Wasn’t there an annual review to justify the decision and discuss your strengths and weaknesses? At least then you might be able to improve your standing for the next review.

    I’d definitely speak with the manager to better understand the situation. :deal
     
  9. Mitzs
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    If that is not a contract job, then no he can not put that if he wants his word to mean anything. What if they call that last employer? I am not about to hire a liar and set them free on my network or computers. A liar can not be trusted. Your rep does matter in this field, so do not take it lightly.
     
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  10. michael78

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    It's one of those things that I like my job as much as I can working in IT (if I could take the last 7 years of my life back I would of trained to be a plummer). I'm cheesed as bills have went up but my salary hasn't. We are also 5k down with my wife dropping a day from work so in all we are worse off. When I left contracting I was on better money than I am now. I think I might go back to contracting but am going to sleep on it and amke a decison after I talk to my manager.
     
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  11. kevicho

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    Check out http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/ lots of tips on making money last longer, but i wish you luck with what you decide (be careful how you handle it though, this job is better than no job)
     
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  12. derkit

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    Very true there.......... yeah, ignore my point :oops:
     
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  13. michael78

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    Your right it wouldn't be worth it I would just have to confess that things didn't turn out for this job. I just really hate being shafted over and this feels like one of those moments.
     
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  14. michael78

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    I know what you were getting at mate it did cross my mind as well to do that :biggrin
     
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  15. Mitzs
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    I am glad to see your not just going to throw everything way in a moment of anger. Talk it out with your wife. It always helps to have a sounding board and I find making lists of pluses and negatives helpfull too. Plus remember the reasons why you left contracting jobs in the first place to help you with your decision. I wish you all the best.
     
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    Cheers guys for the replies. I'm going to mull it over the weekend and see how I feel on Monday. I'm just glad it's Friday or I would of went nuts :twisted:
     
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  17. greenbrucelee
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    I once got a payrise that equated to a whole £16 a month thats two basic curries.....just.

    Sometimes biding your time is a good idea but then again your employer could just be taking the piss. Employers can get a wake up call if you hand in your notice.

    My brother who works for a major car dealership (was the dealer principal) hadn't had a payrise for two year since he joined and turned around the particular dealership where he worked into a success. He was head-hunted into another position which he has taken (starts Monday) his current bosses have just offered him a 10k payrise but he says it's too late now.

    It's entirely upto you, but you know your employer and what the likelyhood of them is in giving you a better rise if you stay for a while or that they'll just continue to take the piss.
     
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    I know exactly where you are coming from Slypie,

    It isn't always about the money, but sometimes a lack of payrise shows a complete lack of appreciation of the work you do. This in turn (in my case) leads to a feeling that it isn't worth working your ass of for a company that is willing to overlook the sheer ammount of work you do.

    If it makes you feel any better, I started in my last role 12 months ago as 1st line with some 2nd line, and now I'm doing mostly 3rd line (including being solely responsible for the VMWare ESX kit, for which I have recently qualified as a VCP)......for exactly the same money I started on. Which at last count, is closer to 15k than 20k.... and with a suspected pay rise of 2-4%, and no pay review in sight, I'm in your shoes.
     
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  19. Fergal1982

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    I'd hardly say it was taking the piss. How long were you on probation for? 3-6 months? If its 3, then you have only actually been staff for 3 months, and it its 6, then you've only just started as staff proper.

    Bear in mind that no employer is actually required to give any of their staff a payrise. Its a sure fire way to lose staff, sure, but theres no requirement. You've only been in the job a short while, they are even less likely to give you a payrise, even a cost of living one.

    Now, if they do the same after a years service, thats something to possibly complain about, but you knew the salary when you accepted the job, some employers wont even review your salary until you have passed the one year mark, and sounds like this is the case. Not much has changed in the 6 months to necessitate a pay increase.

    You are still proving yourself to the employer. What are you going to do when the next one stiffs you 6 months down the line? up sticks and move again then? Its not going to look good on your CV.

    Im sorry, but i dont really have any sympathy here. Ok, so you have a kid now, but it was on its way when you accepted the job, you knew what the salary was, you knew what was going to happen to your family in the near future - and that it would require more money. it was a safe bet to assume the missus would either not work or cut back. You should have done your sums before accepting the job, rather than planning around a salary increase that isnt even a requirement.
     
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  20. BosonMichael
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    In many jobs, it is pretty standard to not get a pay raise during an annual review if you've been there less than a year. If any raise is given, it's usually pro-rated so that your less-than-a-year status is taken into account. In cases where no raise is given, some employers will bump up the next year's raise a bit, knowing you haven't gotten a raise in the last 18 months.
     
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