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Discussion in 'General Cisco Certifications' started by kobem, Feb 7, 2011.

  1. kobem

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    Some things i have learned from a book do not look same in real life or i can not make contact between them.
    Once, i asked about communication over Internet from a corporate headquarters to its branches. Moreover,
    thing whether the connection is made between routers without modems. Using WICs added to routers for it.

    However, during the time going from a corporate headquarters to its branches, how many WAN connections
    are established originating from a router for each branch? One for telephone lines with WICs and one for serial interfaces such as T1 lines since books show like that(from router to router , there goes serial)?
     
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  2. BosonMichael
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    This is why we've told you for years that getting higher-level certifications (such as the CCNA) without first getting real-world experience is useless. Now you're starting to see why we tell you that.
     
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  3. kobem

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    but tell me if i can not get a permanent job, how can i progress?
     
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    Because you need to get entry level certifications and an entry level job. The CCNA is not for people who want to get their first IT job it is a certification designed to show your job experience whilst working with Cisco hubs and switches.

    This is why you have been advised to get certifications like A+,Network+ and MCDST because they only require a basic understanding of the subject matters. No one will hire someone with CCNA to work on their network who does not have experience and you will only get that experience by starting at the bottom.
     
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  5. kobem

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    You are not watching the way of understanding me since my first post in this forum. I am not intelligent, however, in spite of learning hard and slowly, im not a fool. Maybe there are some drawbacks and things i
    have to fill or complete but, i consider this gap is sourced by difference of the language we spoke about.
     
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    No one has said you are unintelligent but what you are not understanding is that no one walks into a networking job if they have the CCNA and no experience.

    You have to start at the bottom even if you were a person that knew it all you would still have to start at the bottom until you had experience. This is why getting entry level certs will help you get an entry level job then once you have experience you can progress.
     
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    You'd be able to get a permanent job if you do what we advised that you do years ago: get entry-level certifications and get an entry-level job. Had you done this (instead of arguing with us and dismissing our advice) when you first appeared on the forum, you would probably have three years (EDIT: FOUR years!) of real-world IT experience and be well on your way to better jobs.
     
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  8. LukeP

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    Amen!
     
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  9. Theprof

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    Well said!
     
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  10. kobem

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    Entry-level certificates? Most of certificates you talked about do not exist in my country. No foundation, no place to assist for those certs. Only cisco and system side. So, what am i supposed to do in this situation? If,
    almost all main paths are closed, what should i do? Applying for these websites only.

    Let's come to getting a job. Think that you have an education system and exams which affects your fate
    directly and you have no chance, everytime other than succeed it. Do you have any exams after primary school,
    secondary school and so on. And the big hit "OSS" which is used to accommodate high-school pupils to universities also the only option to be placed. Unfortunately, nearly your all steps lead to a big exam. Even if you are educated well in universities you might not find a job. How can a human heart resist these exams in each step? On top of all, if not these do not save your life, to specialise in your field you must gain certificates such as CCNA and others. Mostly, even these didn't save you, what would you do further? In such those circumstances, how can you embrace the life?

    The essential part you either skipped or ignored whether deliberately or not is conditions in my country. Getting worse
    and worse everyday. Assume you have been governed for 8 years by dumb asses whose their only purpose
    is dragging people into zombies then tie them to ignorant hadjis. No one may learn nothing only be obedient.
     
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    Entry level certs don't exist in Turkey? Are you sure about that? They may not be taught in schools or classrooms but that doesn't mean you can't get them - there are testing centres all over the world.
    Besides, the jist of the advice you have been given to date is that knowledge and experience is more important when starting out. Experience may be hard to get, but you can still read appropriate books to boost your knowledge.

    Are you talking about aspiration here? We're not saying that it's wrong to want to succeed and to better yourself, but that it's important to do so at an appropriate level. In your own example, yes, when you finish school you have to sit exams, and do well in them if you want to move on to university. The point is, these exams cover the material you have covered in school and are therefore appropriate to be taken at that time and level. But again, there is no easy solution, we've got skips full of graduates over here who can't find jobs.

    It pretty much sucks everywhere at the moment, but to be fair, your part of the world does seem to be a bit restless at the moment.

    But once again, you seem to be using the situation in your country and the political system for an excuse as to why you don't follow any of the advice that you have been given so far. You are 27 - when I was 27 I didn't care who the prime minister was and couldn't name most of the cabinet (because Spitting Image wasn't on any more).
     
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    This is just plain bull****. Mate of mine is Turkish, lives in Istanbul and has passed MCDST and Windows 7 client exams recently. He has landed entry level IT support job in Istanbul too.

    Amazon delivers worldwide, Prometric centres exist in Turkey (and exams are less than 50% of the UK's price). There is absolutely no reason this can't be done. Stop finding excuses and start from the bottom like everyone else.

    You will not become Cisco network engineer without the relevant experience. Period. Get over it!

    And don't tell me there is no IT Jobs in Istanbul. Everywhere where the offices are, people use computers and need support.

    You're just an attention seeker troll imho.

    /THREAD
     
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    Until you listen to everyones advice Kobem you are not going to succeed in anything. I have advised like other many times of why you need to get entry level certs and as said above they do exsist in your country because a friend of Mine is from Turkey and he has just passed his Network+ which is one of the certs you should be working towards.

    You have told us many stories of why you cant get the books we have suggested because you say there are no bookshops in Turkey and that you have no money and can't borrow any of your parents and that you cant order online because you dont have a credit card. You are making excuses and this is holding you back.

    Now if I went into my life story and told you that I grew up in care and social services told my foster mother not to expect anything good from me and that she was told to expect me to fail at secondry school and not even entertain the idea of college or University. Well guess what? I said bollocks to them and I studied and studied and studied and I did all of those things.

    I could have made excuses and said well I am destined to fail so I might aswell fail. This is what you are doing and if you continue to make excuses then you will become a looser in life. All our advice is to help you now all you have to do is take it and apply yourself.

    If you really want to work in IT you have to go for it but you have to start at the bottom and work your way there no one will hand you an IT job untill you follow our advice.
     
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    Lots of people seem to have friends in Turkey :D I have a mate who is in to Turkey big time his name is Bernard...
     
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    The essential part you either skipped or ignored is this:

    You can get the A+, Network+, MCDST, MCTS: Vista, and MCTS: Win7 certifications in Turkey. You simply choose to not do so. Instead, you choose to whine about how you can't do this and can't do that. I can promise you this: until your attitude changes, you will continue to struggle.
     
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    One : Corporations in my country do not require A+, Network+ and others like these two.

    Two : To have a friend from Turkey doesn't mean he got the course and passed his exam in Turkey.

    Three : Valuable certs in my country are Cisco, juniper(rare), system certs such as MCSE.

    Four : What do you mean by IT job exactly? (its so vast) Details please.
     
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    Those certifications are not going to help you.

    You have been given all the advice you need, Kobem. You need to start at the beginning.
     
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    Kobem.

    I do not think (and I sincerely do hope) that you are the voice of the Turkish IT industry.
    You are young and, by your own admission, confused.

    I have only been in IT for about seven years.
    Yes, I've got some certifications.
    Yes, I go to meetings at Microsoft in Reading.
    Yes, I'm a BCS member.
    Yes, I'm also a member of the IITT and other stuff.
    Yes, I take part in events and read the magazines and newsletters.

    But, I would never presume to make a statement like 'Corporations in the UK require/do not require whatever'.
    Despite years of participation, I can't put things in black and white like you appear to.

    It's not about the certification - it's about the skills.
    In a way, it's sad that we have to make the distinction.

    So, by your mode of thinking, corporations in Turkey are happy to hoover up CCNAs who really don't know what they are doing in preference to experienced professionals who know how to keep a network up and running?
     
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  20. kobem

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    Just an example but from real business life, one of the biggest telecom corporations in my country
    doesn't require the certs you suggested to me. If you do not believe, i do give you its name ; Borusan Telecom.
    From business life just another big company ; Probil doesn't require those certs.
     
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