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Question about MCSE

Discussion in 'General Microsoft Certifications' started by SeeSor, Feb 3, 2007.

  1. SeeSor

    SeeSor New Member

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    Hi all,

    I am thinking about doing training with Advent computer training and they said they could do what i need to get mcse, the image below is from there site about there training course is there any other bits i would need to do to be in a position to get a job in IT

    Thanks

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  2. hbroomhall

    hbroomhall Petabyte Poster Gold Member

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    Just two classroom days for each of these exams? That means you will be spending a *lot* of time in self-study!

    Why not do it *all* self-study and save a pile of money? :biggrin

    Harry.
     
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  3. SeeSor

    SeeSor New Member

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    what is better self study or a course??
     
  4. BosonMichael
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    BosonMichael Yottabyte Poster

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    Two classroom days? You could spend two full 24-hour days and not be ready for some of those exams unless you already had real-world experience (and if that's the case, you don't need a training course).

    I would also advise the self-study route. I've said it before and I'll say it again... there is no good get-certified-fast quick shortcut route. If you want to learn the material, by all means, learn the material. But realize that certifications alone won't make you qualified to be a good tech, because certifications without a true understanding of the material is useless. A cram course won't give you that understanding.
     
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  5. SeeSor

    SeeSor New Member

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    thanks for the help i will look first self study a+ and go from there
     
  6. tas121

    tas121 Nibble Poster

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    it depends how much experience you have got with computers. but i know alot of people who are MCSE certified through advent and are now in jobs.
     
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  7. Bluerinse
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    Bluerinse Exabyte Poster

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    Two days is no where near enough time to learn the material to pass any of those courses and exams like 291 and exchange could take months of study.

    The courses I did (MOCs) were all 4 or five days and IMHO covered about 20% of the necessary detail to pass the related exams. Really this is just a two day course to fly through the basics and then you will be on your own. Save money, and do it all on your own.
     
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  8. Boycie
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    Boycie Senior Beer Tester

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    SeeSor,

    This issue of a certification with *thrown in job* has arisen many times before. The truth of the matter is this - employers in all areas generally want people who can *cook on gas from day one*.

    Don't be fooled in to thinking that because anyone has a certain academic or professional qualification will lead to someone begging said someone for wealthy, instant career - this is not true.

    If you are truely interested in IT, look around and see what it is all about.

    Good luck.
     
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  9. Quarky

    Quarky Byte Poster

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    Hello,

    I'm currently doing that very same MCSE course with Advent.

    I would most definately recommend it, just as long as you are dedicated to self study. Make no mistake that you need to push yourself to progress.

    I'm very happy with the service from Advent itself, always available if you need help and the two day workshops are actually quite good if you keep in mind their purpose. They are not meant to be a 'quick fix' learn all you can in 48 hours kind of thing, they are very relaxed and a great opportunity to ask any questions that have arisen during your study. You have 'labs' that you work though during the 2 days which cover the main points of the current exam that you are studying for. During the A+ i found them invaluable.

    Please bear in mind though that i'm still only at the beginning of the course (7 months in), i've got my A+ and MCP and hopefully my MCDST should be done on Tuesday morning.(fingers crossed) so i can't speak about anything further down the line, but i've yet to hear a bad word which can only be good.

    It is expensive if you compare it to going on your own, but it most certainly helps you in staying motivated and with the job guarantee it can help with the pressures of getting your foot in the door when it comes to it (i hope - shouldn't be long for me now)

    A friend of mine works for Computeach as a systems Admin, he told me the other day that the same course is about 1000 quid more expensive with them, i've not checked this though so don't quote me on it.

    Just read this post through, god i sound like an Advent salesman.

    :D
     
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  10. Boycie
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    Quarky,

    Thanks for sharing your positive experience; people usually only comment on the bad stuff!

    Good luck with the rest of your course.
     
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  11. zimbo
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    Like everyone else i got to agree that ALOT of time will be spent self-studying so why not self-study for 1/10 of the price? I just finished 70-291 (which they say is two days) - i spent a good 6 months full time study to pass it! :rolleyes:
     
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  12. tas121

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    i agree with quarky im with advent aswell and i cannot fault there customer service iv been studying with them for 3 months now and so far they have got me 1 interview. One thing i would like to say is you are all missing the point about the workshops, you only attend these workshops when you have got fairly enough knowledge and are close to taking the exam its combining the self study together with the workshops. Also some people like myself feel less motivated studying on my own so going with a training provider keeps me motivated because they push me and make sure i do the best in exams. Thats just my thought about advent an im sure other people who are with them will agree.
     
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  13. Raffaz

    Raffaz Kebab Lover Gold Member

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    Ive got no problems with Advent either, although i would have been just as happy doing the self study route if i had known about it back then. IMO the workshops arent excellent, they are ok but arent hands on enough for me, and it tends to be the basics that you go through. Apart from that its fine. Oh, and the buffet could be better :)
     
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  14. SeeSor

    SeeSor New Member

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    hi all,

    I have got to say that every one here is great, the help and advice is fantastic, thaks again everyone, i have decided that i will now probable go down the advent route and see if i can offer myself to a couple of firms that i know for free for a day a week on my day off to get some practical exp.

    thanks again, no dout i will be on here a lot for more help :biggrin
     

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