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NITLC - IT Training Companies

Discussion in 'New Members Introduction' started by Jon_uk, Aug 24, 2009.

  1. Jon_uk

    Jon_uk New Member

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    Hi,

    I am a experienced mainframe COBOL/Assembler analyst/programmer that has recently been made redundant.

    I am looking to update my programming skills to C#, VB .NET

    There are number of IT training companies (eg. NITLC) that offer MCTS, MCPD certification in these.

    What does anyone else on the forum know about these especially NITLC as that is the one that looks to have the best courses from what I have read.

    What do you get for your money from them? Are there any IT training companies to avoid?

    Does certification make any difference? In the mainframe world it is all about experience.

    Thank you.

    Jon
     
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  2. JonnyMX

    JonnyMX Petabyte Poster

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    What?
    NITLC again?
    The last bloke around here thinking of studying with them posted a couple of links and then we never heard from him again...

    :blink

    I've heard that Frazer Makenzie is better...
     
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  3. Jon_uk

    Jon_uk New Member

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    free-advice Nibble Poster

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    Maybe he enrolled JonnyMX?

    I have worked with many TP's in my working life (as told on previous thread) and if the chap has enrolled with NITLC, then he's done good in my personal opinion.

    He could of enrolled with FM!!

    TP
     
  5. greenbrucelee
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    greenbrucelee Zettabyte Poster

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    if your experienced then why not learn the subjects yourself then take the exams yourself without a training provder?

    I have never studied with one and many other members on here self study and some of them are new to IT or a re still looking to get into IT.
     
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  6. JonnyMX

    JonnyMX Petabyte Poster

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    Not necessarily...

    But when someone new comes along and drops the name of a TP into their posts, draws attention to the faults of others (as you've done) and doesn't post much else it makes people wonder what their motivations are.

    Quite often it's a cheap tactic by a sloppy salesman who is struggling to make his quota so that he can spend it all on Viagra.

    But I'm not suggesting that you're doing the same.
    It is just that if your first post on this forum is to draw attention to a TP, it takes a while to gain people's confidence.

    I seem to remember the same thing happening to me, so if you want to become a productive member of the forum, stick with it.

    Or be like me and just hang about being rude...

    :oops:
     
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  7. Boycie
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    Boycie Senior Beer Tester

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    Jon_UK - Just to let you know I have deleted the same post you made in the T&D forum.
     
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  8. Jon_uk

    Jon_uk New Member

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    JonnyMX,

    I assure you I am nothing to do with any TP.

    But I am researching the best way to get training in .NET development? C#, VB etc.
    The value of certification.
    I found this forum by googling certification, IT training providers and the names of various IT training providers.
    I have spoken to salesmen from various IT Training providers Home Learning College, CompuTeach, Seek, Advent. Some are more pushy than others and I thought the NITLC seemed the best and the most bona fide.
    Or whether to self study, use a local college or the OU.
    I find with self study it is difficult to keep up the motivation and correct direction.
    Any experiences anyone else on the forum has of TP good or bad?
    The trouble is everyone has their own axe to grind. Whether they hate TPs or I don't even know if they work for a TP.
    But any experiences and advice about TPs would be appreciated.

    Regards.

    Jon
     
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  9. Boycie
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    Boycie Senior Beer Tester

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    Jon,

    Welcome aboard.

    You may have already worked it out, that most people on CF are in favourite of self study methods. That isn't to say people are not using training providers or have anything against it. Many people have used training providers and gained the knowledge and certification they seeked originally - at a cost. A cost which is ongoing, because the learning is ongoing. The fact that you are an experienced developer would imply you already know what the field is about: experience, willing to learn and a track record. Considering you already have this, you may well save yourself some money by purchasing the materials yourself and booking yourself in for the exam when confident (you can also use test material available from boson, measure-up etc).
    If you want to find out about a particular training provider that interests you, please continue to search on CF, Google etc. I would also suggest asking to speak with current students and asking for a breakdown of exactly what you money will buy you.

    Best of luck with your certification and your next job.

    Boyce
     
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  10. Jon_uk

    Jon_uk New Member

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    Hi Boyce,

    I hoped that perhaps there would be some current or past students on this forum to speak to.
    And find out exactly that, What my money buys?

    I've noticed NITLC have their own forum. http://studentnet.nitlc.com/generic/login_guests.asp

    Anyone know if it is possible to get on it as a guest?

    I posted the original post also to the 'training and development' forum as well because it is related to that and someone who didn't look at the introductions forms might see it.

    Regards.

    Jon
     
    Certifications: BSc(Hons) MBCS
  11. JonnyMX

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    I meant this guy: http://www.certforums.co.uk/forums/thread34963.html

    It's unhealthy to be obsessed by one TP - there are a lot of them out there and if you've only found one then you have a lot more research to do.

    As some people will tell you (BM, back me up on this), certifiction is designed to show what you can do, and is not really a training route.

    For anyone with any doubt, check out the microsoft/learning site which tells you what the pre-requirements are for all their certs.
     
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  12. Sparky
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    Not much to it really, less posts than here and you have to pay (a few grand) to get access to it.
     
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  13. UKDarkstar
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    Surely if you want classroom training as opposed to self study a local college, Uni, Open University or solutions provider that also does training (as opposed to the hard sell type train only providers) would serve you better ?

    dmarsh may have some advice for you when he turns up here (maybe on hols ?).
     
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  14. JonnyMX

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    Tidy. It just gets annoying after a while when people post several pages of help and advice to someone who doesn't really want it. :biggrin

    Very true indeed. There is a place in the world for TPs and their likes for those who have trouble with motivation or locating resources etc. Not all TPs are evil, but ultimately they are profit making businesses who, well, want to make a profit.

    If you want to 'get into' programming, look around for somewhere that does an introductory C++. C# or VB course etc in order to get up to speed. At the end of the day, certification just means passing an exam which may not be what you need right now.

    I did the OU course on embedded systems which was really good.
     
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  15. Jon_uk

    Jon_uk New Member

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    I've done intoductory VB (an old version now), C++ and Java courses. I am looking for something a bit more in depth.

    My last job was as mainframe COBOL, Assembler, JCL, DB2 developer. I'm looking to cross-train to something a bit more up to date like .NET or web development (eg. PHP).

    I've done several OU courses although some time ago, in fact I've got a degree with them. I found their courses although good a bit on the academic side and not geared to the job market. For example programming in Pascal, Eiffel and Prolog.
     
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  16. MatD

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    Where are you based? Liverpool John Moores University offered fantastic courses for .NET technologies last year around running upto/starting after christmas, I attended the C#.NET introduction course.. They did them for ASP.NET, VB.NET, ADO.NET etc...

    Rather than commit to a TP, I would look at your local education institutions, most will run a course for 3, 6 or maybe 12 months, at least you know you are guarenteed a computer science lecturer who can offer proper face to face discussion and contact if you struggle with anything.
     
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  17. Jakamoko
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    Haha .. Jonny got a tap on the nose :box2

    It's all good :biggrin
     
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