MCSE 'Paper Certified' People

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I met a so-called MCSE last year who had next no knowledge of desktop support let alone network admin /servers. The chap didnt know how to add a pc to the domain...

Are these people in the market good or bad for the I.T industry?

(a) They make the real I.T proffesionals with knowledge/certs/experience look good?
(b) The fill the market with rubbish candidates and ruin the validity of the certification?
(c) another point of view?

fatp.

 

bad! IMO your experience should atleast be to lab level in the studying of the cert - if you call yourself an MCP of 290 even and cant add a client to a domain then im sorry but thats a disgrace!

 

You seriously have to ask? They are bad, bad, horribly bad for the IT industry.

 

I Dont believe someone can spend 1 year + (which i think is a fair length of time for someone to achive MCSE) go through all the materials, and learn enough to pass the tests and yet not be able to add a pc to a domain.

Are you sure the term paper MCSE is right here, sounds suspiciously like hes used other methods to pass the exams

 

It's paper MCSE's that are the reason for the new definition of MCSE. Minesweeper Consultant Solitare Expert

 

I agree with Kevicho, if a person has studied for the MCSE the correct way, they would have to be able to add a PC to a Domain.

This would leave me to belive they used 'Braindumps' instead.

 

Good point. I've always used the terms 'Paper MCSE' and 'Braindumper' almost interchangably as they are both as much use as a bacon sandwich at a bar mitzvah.

However, the strict definition of a 'Paper MCSE' is probably just someone who 'knows' how to run a Microsoft network from self-study, classroom courses and/or training videos but doesn't actually have any experience of doing so, whereas a braindumper doesn't know anything except a list of answers to memorised questions.

For my money they're both useless - in the first case because they think they know more than they do, and can seriously ruin your day by fubaring something up badly, and in the second case because, well, they're just **** aren't they really?

 

BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD

but VERY easy to spot

They're not quite as scummy as the dump brigade but they still inhabit the same space and most would have passed using dumps, not realise and not care.

I've had plenty of encounters with these guys. They give us all a bad name and devalue the certification process. I like to take it slow and learn. It seems to have worked as I've been doing this less than a year and I'm in second line already. Loving my job (oh and thanks to this forum for immense guidance)

Were in an industry where there are alot of people claiming they know this and that. Fortunately any interviewer worth his salt will spot the bullsh*tter or the clueless.

Take your time and learn it. It will pay in the end and dont worry about the Paper MCSE. He'll still be resetting passwords when your on your third promotion

 

I find this hard to absorb and believe as almost anyone can add a PC to a domain, well maybe not everyone but

 

Good grief. *I* can add a PC to a domain and I don't have anything close to a single MS cert.