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Jamesthorntongroup.com testimonials??

Discussion in 'Training & Development' started by digiboy, Mar 28, 2008.

  1. digiboy

    digiboy Bit Poster

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    Hi , I am a new member and I appreciate the founder of this forum.Hats off to you!

    The point is I read through lots of topics about this james thornton group IT company and its unbelievable adverts(too good to be true)....but i have not seen a single comment from somebody who has experienced real disappointment with jamesthornton group.

    Is there anyone who paid £5000 for training and got the job as they are advertising?

    I went for an interview there and I found the people there really unprofessional .

    Why do they have so many domain addresses portraying the same thing? Recently I received a email from a new email id! its from www.jtacademy.com . While I was waiting for the consultation I saw the person in the website> jaljeet Singh(www.jtacademy.com) . He was wandering in the reception area...

    Its hard to trust their offers(too good to be true)...Now as you can see from their website whoever study at their institute gets a guaranteed £500 salary during their first 4months training period and after they pass their exams they employ them in their own other initiative LANIT(www.microsoftlanit.com) with a starting salary of £20000 . As you can see from their website www.jamesthorntongroup.com they have lots of initiative for the year 2008.

    I have no experience in IT and its hard to get into IT without any experience. I have lots of video tutorials for the networking(CBT Nuggets,Testout) .So I can pass them with self-study.But after I pass the exams its difficult to getinto IT without experience. Thats why I am looking to train with institutes who have connection with the IT industry and offer job guaranteed training.

    I need comments from real people who have real experience with www.jamesthorntongroup.com (it can be good or bad)
     
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  2. kevicho

    kevicho Gigabyte Poster

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    TBH Some of that sounds like marketing spiel, and lots of links to websites, I wonder whether this is genuine..

    But going back to your post (and not my opinion of it) I think that if you are passing exams, but not gaining real world experience i would suggest you look for more basic roles to build some experience, as not only is there is a limit to what training will give you, getting 6 months in the biz will be better than more certs and no experience.

    What certifications do you have? Relevant ones for starting out are A+, Network+, maybe ECDL, and university or college certificate.
     
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  3. hbroomhall

    hbroomhall Petabyte Poster Gold Member

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    Hi and welcome to CF!

    Why not offer your services to local PC repair places? That way you can gain some experience.

    I agree that larger places usually want experience, but some offer the equivalent of apprenticeships, and will take inexperienced people to get them going.

    Harry.
     
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  4. GiddyG

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    Got to agree... we see a few posts where the 'individual' doesn't include any details about themself in their profile. This is one such post. At least a location, or certs being studied would be nice to have; however, there's nothing. :dry
     
  5. Mitzs
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    I don't know of any schools that guarantee they will get you a job. I am in the states though. Maybe it is different over there? Here they can tell you, their placement % but that usually has to do with all the classes they provide there. And I don't know about other places, but the tech school I went to depending on your teacher finding different resources not the school. If you think they are unprofessional why would you want your name associate with them while looking for work.

    If you already have the material, use it and go sit the exams and then apply for the jobs yourself.
     
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  6. kevicho

    kevicho Gigabyte Poster

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    Also 5k will buy you enough PC, enough books and enough CBTs to get yourself through MCSE and Cisco networking courses im sure.
     
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  7. digiboy

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    Hi Giddy , I dont understand what u mean! u say I am not genuine or the jamesthornton company?

    I am just a a normal fella searching to get into IT field.. After a long search I narrowed down to join either of these 2 institiutes www.justit.co.uk or jamesthorntongroup ....as I am looking to train in london area with a job guarantee or moneyback scheme...

    Justit is trustworthy as they have a recruitment agency which also trains students preparing CV ,interview skills and forwarding their CV to employers .Also they have special recuirtment agency which adds more trustworthy to their job guaranteed training.

    About the jamesthornton I have read lots of negative comments on this forum . So I am scared of them.I saw a post from "Jamesthorntonlegal" on this forum. He didnt answer for the members complaints but simply made a post that we are talking bad about them. He should have answered all the questions on this forum instead of complaining us.That makes me scary! I have sent a private message asking him answer those questions..lets see if he replies........

    Ofcourse they offer a well package than justit and my full heart wants to study there...but these negative comments make me scared and i dont want to be in trap!

    What should i do to know that jamesthorntongroup is genuine? can u help me please? i dont want to waste my time and money ...i rather join www.justit.co.uk (their offers r practical and trustworthy)
     
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  8. kevicho

    kevicho Gigabyte Poster

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    Personally I would self study, as the material is cheap enough, and you can have your own lab at home with all the stuff you need for much less.

    Also these job guarantees, what specifics do they give?
    Is there a salary promise, a promise you will be placed in a suitable role and company?

    I think that on a CV, placing you are self studying shows initiative, also the posters here will help you plan a certification route, and pointers with CVs and what you should be looking for job wise when looking for a career in IT
     
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  9. michael78

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    As far as I know any tom, dick or harry can start up a training centre as they aren't regulated (as far as I know). That's why I would stay away from places like that unless they can prove their background and success rates.
    Personally I wouldn't part with £5k for any training as that is a huge sum of money.
     
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  10. kevicho

    kevicho Gigabyte Poster

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    Also you have to consider the following....

    How much more will you earn with these certs?

    A+ and Network+ will (HELP) you get you entry level jobs, anywhere between 12-15K i think is a fair estimate, so if you are currently on 14K, and you manage to get a 15K a year job, not including the higher tax you will pay, it will take 5 years to make doing that course worthwhile!

    Thats a long time!
     
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  11. michael78

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    for A+ and Network+ I wouldn't fork out anything to to these apart from a couple of good books and the exam itself.

    I would only consider paying money if I was doing a high level cert like the MCSE or a cert where you need specific equipment like CCNA. Even then I wouldn't pay £5k.
     
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  12. digiboy

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    Thanks.... I do have all the video tutorials like cbt nuggets ,testout etc.. they are a lot better than books as its like a classroom environment and they also have simulators which is actually like virtual lab environment..but again i can get those MCSE and CCNA myself but the point is about job...i have no experience ..after spending 2-3months getting the MCSE by selfstudy , I dont want to further waste my time searching for jobs without any hope as its difficult to land a job without experience...

    I dont mind paying some money to train with institutes as i can get friends and we share ideas also a job guarantee...if i dont get a job they payback my money! thats great ,isn't it?

    I have seen some topics started by people querying about jamesthornton b'coz they r going to join there soon...after their 1st post i didnt see any feedback from them about their experience with jamesthorntongroup a.k.a microsoft student campus... what happened to them? I sent a private message asking about their feedback and i received none!

    I called jamesthorntongroup through their freephone(0800) and asked whether I can have a look around the class and speak to the former or current students...the lady answered " NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT!! " But I sat in the class for sometime and chat with the students at justit on a demo basis! and the students recommend to study there..im impressed as well.! these things makes me suspicious of jamesthorntongroup.Another unbelievable thing is that they supply their students laptop and mobile!!:eek: any comments?

    Yes everyone ask for money and after all thats why they r here in the business....some ask higher money and the reason could be they have knowledgable trainers and equipment etc...I dont mind paying the money as i see lots of good things in it...but i dont want to be ripped off by their sales pitch and waste my time....(my money is safe as everyone offer moneyback scheme if i dont get a job)
     
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  13. hbroomhall

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    Check the fine print on job offers and money back offers *very* carefully.

    Harry.
     
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  14. michael78

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    Couldn't agree more check every last word on the contract to see if they can get out of their promises of employment and the starting salary. Also check on things like the distance of the job they can offer you in case they offer you a job on the other side of the country. Another one is the length of the job as they may get you a month contract that would work out at 20k per year and finish you. These are all things you need to be 100% sure on before parting with the cash.

    If the person also refused to allow you to speak to past and present students then I would stay well away from them. They sound like cowboys to me.

    The only thing I can say mate is IT is hard to break into with all the competition around but if you want it bad enough and give it your all then you will get a lucky break just don't expect £20k or you maybe disappointed. You can help your case of getting a job by trying to do voluntary work if your circumstances allow it as employers see this as commercial experience and a desire to work in IT. Maybe start another post asking for advice on breaking into IT and I'm sure a few people will give you their opinions.
     
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  15. GiddyG

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    What I meant was that you sounded just like an advert for jamesthornton... plus you hadn't even put in a "Hi" in the New members area, but luanched straight into comments about said company. Plus, you hadn;t told us anything about yourself.

    Needles to say, we see this quite often where spammers come along telling how wonderful a particular website or company is... and then we never hear from them again.

    But... you're back, and it's great that you've joined. Still don't know that much about you though...

    Welcome onboard! :D
     
  16. Stoney

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    I don't see how your situation will change if you decide to use a training provider? You will still have no experience at the end of your course. You may get to use a few simulations and play with some labs, but then you could do that at home whilst self-studying using virtual pc or VMWare. At the end of it you will have no real world experience, you'll be 5 grand out of pocket and also probably overqualified for the entry level jobs that are suited to your experience.

    If I was you I would self-study the A+ and Network+, and look to get some kind of real world exposure whilst you are studying. You could even start applying for entry level jobs right away.

    Don't get sucked into the idea that having an MCSE will open all the doors to a great future in IT. This is not going to happen! If you study for the MCSE now it will do you more harm than good.

    HTH
     
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  17. dmarsh

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    I couldn't agree with Stoney more ! We've covered these topics time and again on the forum. Read the previous posts. There are many people who have been sold a dream and are looking for short cuts. For 99% of people there are no short cuts, you have to work very hard and apply yourself, a little bit of luck and some apptitude and you will succeed.

    The same as practically anything else in life. Its not fashionable or a quick fix but thats how most of the real world works.

    What do you think these companies can do for you that you can't do for yourself ? At the end they will help you create a CV and mass mail it to employers, why can't you do this yourself ? Once you hand over your cash believe me there is a 99.9% you will never see it again regardless what happens. What do you think would happen if the company went bust ? Would you be prepared to take them to court ? How would you enforce payment even if you won ? Most contracts are only as good as the peoples word behind them, never sign a contract with someone you don't trust.

    Theres many types of job, they could place you in a call centre on minimum wage depending on the contract... You need to become an employable proposition, there are no short cuts or tricks, you need to gain experience in a valid manner so that you have value in the market. This means entry level job, apprenticeship, charity volunteering etc.
     
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  18. digiboy

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    But mate most of the trainers i refer have links with IT companies and JustIT has a specialist recruitment agency. From what I know 90% of the IT jobs advertised on uk websites are through recruiment consultants . So what if I study with a trainer who also does have recruitment agency just like www.just.co.uk and http://www.cercotraining.co.uk/ ? I think they give first priority for their students trained with them rather than hiring others..am i wrong here? :rolleyes:


    jamesthorntongroup doesnt have an recruitment team and they say they will put me in their own company http://www.jamesthorntongroup.com/lanit/index.htm at £20,000 after i pass the MCSE with them(guaranteed!)....they also say i dont have any contract with them and i can leave the company any time i get a better job...they r situated near to my home so i wouldnt mind joining them. their packgage fits me very well than other trainers)..but the feedback about them here is scaring me and also i found myself some bad points about them(they dont allow me speaking to former or current students,let me sit in the class for a demo before i join etc...).those r worrying me... thats why i started this topic in anticipation of gettting feedback from students who have real experience with them....but this topic is turningup just like the previous topics where no one found the answer for whether jamesthorntongroup is doing good or they r just after the money! :rolleyes:

    I have seen some feedback from people studied at justit and cerco .but none on jamesthorntongroup!

    ANYBODY THERE ?? PLEASE
     
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  19. dmarsh

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    Sounds like you've made up your mind, if you're dead set on blowing £5k because you're too lazy to do a job search then go do it...

    What do you think recruitment consultancies are ? They are not charities, they place candidates for commission, no one agency has the whole market sewn up, thank god ! You are basically thereby advocating buying a job ? Why not just work for less or bribe your boss ? Thats basically what you are advocating... You either deserve a job based on your talents and the market or not no ? Do you think a better qualified candidate should lose out because you have £5k to blow ? Whatever happended to working as hard as you can and then trying your chances? Lifes not about guarantees, its about calculated risk and working hard...
     
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  20. BosonMichael
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    Yeeeeeeah... good luck with that. Let us know how it all turns out! :thumbleft
     
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