IT Support Analyst – Network Support (MCSE)

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Well, you said, "let me rephrase" as if I didn't understand what he meant. I completely understood... yet I don't think you understood what I meant.

 

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1) I got humor in abundance, mate!

2) I *am* a teacher. If you don't like it, ignore me. But... I'm right.

 

A wise man once said opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one.

 

If you think 19k is bad, I've seen jobs 'requiring' both a MCSE & CCNA all for the princely salary of 16k. These companies are either going to get a braindumper, who at best will manage to keep the servers going in a threadbare manner in the short term, and a complete insecure mess in the longer term or a qualified sys admin, who will jump ship as soon as a higher paid job is found.

 

Agree, absolutely.

 

yes i said i would re-phrase what jk2447 said, you seem to have taken offence that someone could of possibly thought you didn't understand. That was not actually the case, i was merely giving it in a slightly different angle.

So you have no problem speaking to people (who don't deserve it) with a lack of respect (who don't deserve it)?

 

But... it wasn't a different angle. It was the same thing he said. You both mistakenly believe the MCSE should mean that the employer should value the employee more (and accordingly, give them more money - after all, we are talking about the low salary offered by the company in question). Sorry, that's not the benefit of certifications.

You mistake truth for disrepect.

Let's revisit this discussion in a few years when you've got some IT experience under your belt, shall we?

EDIT: In truth, I respect you guys enough to take the time to respond. If I didn't respect you guys, I wouldn't waste my time trying to tell you guys the truth.

 

that job would be perfect for me.

i'm still only on 15K with an MCSE and 3 year experience in full time IT

 

Obviously certifications are seen as more than just a validation of knowledge/working, but also as an investment as well. If somebody has spent at least £616 on obtaining an MCSE certification, plus the hours put in to study the material, people would expect to have a decent return on the time and money put into it.

 

May I ask, if that is in the private or public sector?

 

private

 

Yes, same thing, but from a different angle.

I won't bother getting into a discussion about the value than can be placed on having a certification.

I'm not mistaking truth for disrespect. There are ways of telling people the truth (at least ones opinion of what is the truth) and this can be done in both respectful and non respectful ways.

And i don't see why i need IT experience for this discussion either. Either way it's highly unlikely i'll be revisiting it in a fwe years.

 

Because in a few years, you will have gained an understanding of how the IT business REALLY works... as well as the wisdom that comes with age.

 

You do... in the form of being able to get a job that might be otherwise unavailable to you. ANY salary beats ZERO salary, dude. Is that not "return"?

I'll repeat it, guys: certification doesn't equal "mo money". Certification equals "mo betta chance to get a job". Just ask the guys who have been in IT for a while. They'll tell you the same thing.

 

I don't really want to get into a heated discussion but I am doing it to say one thing. Based on my experience, you get paid more by having more experience. Certifications might give you a better salary in some companies, but on average an employer will pay you based on the experience... that's what I've been told by my employer. You see I could be doing the same job as 10+ year network admin, but because I don't have as much experience, he will still get paid more, regardless of whether I have the MCSE or not...

 

Guys listen to what Boson is saying;

MCSE gives you the chance to get a job on better money, it however doesn't qualify you for a huge pay rise because you earned it (without your employers help) in your current job. And even then, it is the experience that will trump the certification any time

Certifications don't mean you are worth more automatically, they simply make you more eligible for the higher rungs of the IT ladder.

Put it this way, I'm vastly more qualified than the Network Manager here, yet I'll be blunt, he knows **** loads more than me and that shows in his pay packet which trumps mine by 10 grand. He is certified in XP only, had a Degree in Media Studies haha. But, he has the knowledge gained with experience.

 

Well i think people are misunderstanding what i am trying to say. I'm not saying if i walk in somewhere, just say i have an MCSE (or any other cert) that i will get paid a certain amount.

I am saying, the cert certifies a level of experience and skills, therefore by putting a value on YOUR cert, it is YOUR skills and experience you are putting a value on.

 

This, I will agree with. But might you have not gotten that role in the first place without the certification? Who cares what the mate next to you is making as long as you are making a fair wage?

Props and reps for the post, JK.