Ime in ur thredz getting pizzed off with ur gramma

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  1. Jakamoko
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    @ Arro - wonderful post. Thank you - I really enjoyed that. :D

    (there is no punchline)
     
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  2. tripwire45
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    I love you too, Monkey.

    I liked Arro's example of Chaucer in that the language of the day develops over long periods of time. I do submit that there will always be a formal and informal language in any culture which more or less will be the professional and the day-to-day language.
     
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  3. ffreeloader

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    I'm a long time grammar Nazi, but I do make typo's, and like to add the apostrophe where it's not needed just because..... :biggrin

    However, I would not do that in a formal situation. I also think that anyone becoming insulted over people pointing out their grammar, punctuation, and constant spelling mistakes is missing the point. How a person communicates in writing greatly affects how they will be perceived by the world at large. If you write like an idiot, you will be perceived as one.

    Those of you for whom English is a second language have my respect. You can, and do, communicate in more languages than I do. I can also see a reason for a lack of knowledge about grammar, spelling and punctuation. I can also understand you not catching on to the idioms of the English language.

    What I do not understand is people who obviously want to make it in business world--they wouldn't be here if they didn't--and want to make it in IT. You cannot be a lazy speller in IT. If you are you will not be able to function in the computer world. Why? A computer will not respond to a misspelled word, a comma where a period should be, a semi-colon where a colon should be, etc.... It demands 100% accuracy of anyone working with and on it. So, if you are wanting to work in IT you had better learn to not be lazy with your communication. It has to exact in the field you are wanting to enter.

    What's more your prospective employer's ads will be full of requirements for solid communication skills, both written and oral. So, anyone here ranting about people who have decided they don't need to learn to communicate in the English language is doing those people a favor. If those whose skills in these areas are bad will listen up and improve them, they will improve their abilities to rise above entry level in their careers.

    And, advising some to learn to spell and be accurate grammatically and with punctuation is not being discriminatory. A person who has a physical disability can not do anything about it. However, anyone with the mental ability to work in IT can learn to improve their written communication skills. If you have such a disability that you cannot work with words, then IT is the wrong place for you. It will be hell for you, not rewarding, as working in IT is all about reading and writing.
     
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  4. Mitzs
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    I don't agree with that Fred, my spelling is bad and lets not even go into grammer. However, I do not belive anyone here thinks I'm an idiot. English is a weak point for me. Always has been always will be. For some reason it appears to be worse when I type then actually when I have a pencil in hand. Any way that is beside the point. While I was actually training and learning in this field I loved it and still do. My poor ability to deal with the written lang did not hold me back. Granted, if I am wanting to write a tech document I must take extra care, and be aware of what I'm doing. However, someone that has the drive for or love for this field can make it even if they do not write like an excutive. I belive there is a big differents between a lazy mind and one that has to struggle with it. Even now as I write this I am concentrating on it to make sure I can present my thoughts in a way that all will understand what I'm thinking. I must do this when I have to act in administrator mode or am doing tech writing. Yeah, I have even been paid for it. :biggrin However to do it daily just to talk with others every day? I would actually have to sit with a dictonary spell check and a thesus beside me and I'm just not going to go there or I would never be able to post a dam thing!:biggrin I carried a 97-98% average in tech school and I use to be a MS office guru. I thrived on hands on with the computers and networks and I actually enjoy doing web pages in html, now with css with js and php in the furture. I think this field has alot to offer differnt people. And depending on where one weakness lies can go in the oppsite direction and still stay in the field of computers and networks.
     
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  5. ffreeloader

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    Mitzs,

    You're missing my point. You can write if you want to. You have some type of learning disability that causes your problems in this area, but yet you have improved and put effort into communicating. You have the ability to work in this industry and you have put forth effort to improve yourself. If you didn't have the ability to work in this industry you wouldn't be able to compensate for your disability through intense concentration.

    That is not the same thing as someone writing in l33tspeak or im text speak. That's just ignoring good grammar and good communications. And, it will not be acceptable in the business world.

    You also have a sense of humor about your affliction. I've seen you laugh at yourself and your "Mitzisms" more than once. I respect that. Plus, you are not someone to ignore advice on how to improve yourself and your skills.

    I'd also almost bet that if you consistently concentrated very hard on your written communication at every instance of use you would find your skills improving, and you would find that you would not have to concentrate quite as hard after that to get good results.

    Of course everyone has different levels of skills in the area of writing, but that doesn't mean that we all can't improve. For years I struggled with "i before e except after c". I worked at it though until I finally got it to stick in my head, and now I mostly get it right. It took a lot of effort on my part, but it was worth it. I take pride in my ability to communicate in writing. I've worked hard at it and I think it shows. I'm embarrassed when I read something I have written earlier that has misspelled words, bad grammar or incorrect punctuation. I strive for excellence, but just because I don't always make doesn't mean I'm not always attempting to reach for that goal.
     
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  6. Modey

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    Good couple of posts ffreeloader, couldn't agree more.
     
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  7. Mitzs
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    That I do agree with.


    This is true, I was a lot better at it when I was in tech school. My instructure had a proper writing manual that she allowed me to keep while I was in school. Have to admit I was in that book more then my text books at time. :blink

    Having a sense of humor allows me to accept things when I have to repeatedly do something. Become aggervated and I will solve nothing let alone get anything done. However, if that mitism thread every shows up again. I'm gonna pop someone in the eye.:box2 8)
     
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  8. Arroryn

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    Never a bother :) language is my first love. Alack and alas, IT will always be second. (Don't tell my other half he's third)
     
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    What, you mean, this one? 8)
     
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    Wouldn't you love to have a job writing about IT? I know of a place that does that... :biggrin
     
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  12. Arroryn

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    Oh believe me, I've thought about it.

    But to write about IT, you generally need to, yah know, know something about IT :rolleyes: :biggrin
     
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  13. Mitzs
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    Yep but there you actually get paid to learn it. Novel idea isn't it? :biggrin Do you think Mike just knows it all? He has to learn it just like the rest of us, but he just gets to actually write about it too so others may learn. However, those people work hard and put in some long hours. They more then earn those paychecks.
     
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  14. ffreeloader

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    Here, let me fix this wording for you, Mitz....

    Does Mike just think he knows it all?

    To which the answer is, resoundlingly, yes..... :twisted: :biggrin :biggrin
     
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    OK, I'm gonna batten down the hatches with that one and make some popcorn. :biggrin
     
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    Most people who write IT books work in IT. Most people that write about specific technologies work with those specific technologies.

    While I feel quite comfortable about having written the PC Street Smarts and SharePoint books, there are plenty of other subjects I wouldn't touch because I don't know them. Based on past work I've done, two publishers asked me if I'd be willing to write books on Exchange. I don't know any about Exchange so I turned them down.

    It's smart not to write about what you don't know but on the other hand, I wasn't born knowing what I know now. Get the experience, then write about it.
     
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  17. Arroryn

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    I have had a few ideas, but I'm not muddying the waters too much yet, with my inexperienced little toesies!

    As part of my studying for CompTIA and as I progress through the CCNA, I have always written essays to help solidify learning. I give myself a heading, and 'go for it'. That helps, on the technical writing side of things.

    But at the moment, my writing remains in 'sticking to what I know'. Which is elves, necromancy and civil war. Obviously. :rolleyes:
     
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  18. Jakamoko
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    Now that, Madam, is genius !!!!! :biggrin:thumbleft :clap
     
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  19. tripwire45
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    True. Not much call for that sort of thing in your average IT book. On the other hand, you could use that material to create the next "Harry Potter" type series of books and make millions. :biggrin
     
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    Obviously you've never worked in IT. Just the other day, some dark elf who was dragging around an undead puppy-looking-thing who told me that if I wouldn't give him the admin password, he would send his minions after my department.

    ...so I had to fix THAT problem. :rolleyes:

    Like, who did that guy think he was? :dry He obviously didn't know I was a vampire. Silly mortals. 8)
     
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