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Discussion in 'General Cisco Certifications' started by kobem, Mar 16, 2011.

  1. kobem

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    Perhaps, "weird" is not the exact corresponding word but listen; While we are running PCs on the network, attaching right cables, having properly working NIC also correct IP configuration will not be enough. What else should i need to do? Maybe enabling network adapter!

    Where does the topic take you away?

    I wonder this ; during configuration of routers, we are required to open interfaces first that we should use by entering "No shut" command. Is this the same thing with enabling network adapter on PCs?

    Moreover, on routers or other network devices , we are not installing network drivers i think. But doing this for PCs. Why not? Because of the fact that they are included in IOS?
     
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  2. Black Tortoise

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    Are you for real?
     
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  3. SimonV

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    Please read this post LINK
     
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  4. greenbrucelee
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    I am not entirely sure what you are on about.

    To make a pc go on a network you plug an ethernet cable into the ethernet port on the pc and the other end to a router, hub or switch then if its a workgroup you give the pc and workgroup a name and connect all the other PCs to the hub, switch or router and give them the same workgroup name. Then if its a domain the procdure is a bit similar aprt from there's a domain controller involved. Then you go through the setup wizard and configure it through there and its all automatic, you dont need to enable or disable NICs unless your trying to figure out a problem such as not communicating or something.

    whats weird about that?
     
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  5. JonnyMX

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    I suppose that disabling your network adapters would be the quickest way to a lonely existence...

    Are you basically asking why PCs and other network devices like switches are different from each other?
     
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    I think hes tryin to say why do we install drivers for the likes of nics and such but not for routers and so on, is it because of an IOS(Internal Operating System???? Maybe)
     
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  7. greenbrucelee
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    ah ok.

    Kobem Nics are pieces of hardware that are installed into a computer. For the operating system to know how to use this hardware installed it needs a driver installed. A router doesn't need a driver because its not installed into the pc it just connected to it and all it does is routes the data to wherever it is supposed to go.

    If your talking about specialised routers like cisco ones then they have their own OS that you can configure to do stuff.
     
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    If that is the case then I'd be pretty p o'd if I bought a switch and the drivers for the . . . .. hang on. . . .. no it's too retarded to consider. Surely not what is being asked?

    I often find questions like this are asked when people only know one end of the stick.

    That being said, communicating in a second language can be very tricky especially where technical language is being used.

    I struggle daily as Mandarin isn't my forte but for some reason everyone here uses it!

    Care to rephrase?
     
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  9. BosonMichael
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    You should perform the troubleshooting steps you learned in A+ and Network+.

    Oh, wait... :blink ...I believe you found those to be unnecessary, did you not?

    You need to start at the beginning.

    Nope.

    Windows isn't IOS, and IOS isn't Windows. You can't expect them to behave the same.
     
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  10. Bluerinse
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    Well the reason you do not install NIC drivers on a hardware router is because they don't have NICs as such. Routers have ports and anything necessary, that is required for them to work, is programmed into the routers firmware and electronics.

    Some things we just have to accept and there is nothing to be gained about learning how a specific router works at that level. This is delving into another field, electronics.
     
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  11. Sparky
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    As said this is a different level. Worth noting that you can upgrade firmware on some routers so thats as far as you would take it in regard to installing something on the device.
     
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  12. gosh1976

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    This does seem a bit like a question one might ask if they hear that routers are like computers in their CCNA class but they don't have the proper grounding in the basics one learns early on in a career or studies.

    It has been somewhat interesting to think about how I might explain this to one of our non-technical customers. I think for many people in IT this is just something we know and haven't really had a reason to think too deeply about it. I could see a curious customer asking about this and trying to explain with some of the answers given here and the customer saying but I don't have a nic installed in my computer you said it was on the motherboard like the audio and stuff so why does it still need a driver. I could see a customer saying yeah the router doesn't have a nic installed in it but what about that one router you had to install the WIC thingy in to connect to the new internet connection why wouldn't it need drivers. I might talk about firmware in such a situation but then I can see a customer saying but I remember when you upgraded the firmware on the video card in that one computer that you hard to format the hard drive in - so if that video card has firmware why did it take you so long to find drivers for it if it already has firmware.
     
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    So on another level:

    If I had a port that was for a different circuit, ie G.SHDSL on a router, in theory would it be possible to alter the firmware to make this port a ADSLoPOTS port so it would work over ADSL circuit. Or would I have to study electronics and mess with the board? :eek:
     
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    Depends. If the hardware was built with that particular functionality in mind, it might be just a case of different firmware. However, most devices make it clear in the specs what they are capable of and that is why you need to read the specs to determine if that device suits your needs.

    Modifying the electronics of the board may be possible, as anything is possible but it would be a task for a person that has admirable skills in electronic design.
     
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    Agreed. Messing about with the electronics can be a bad thing to do unless you really know what your doing. You can get modified Firmware updates that are not from the manufacturer of the device to increase functionality but this can be as dodgy as downloading software or updates from untrusted sites.
     
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    i apologise you all cos i got too late for the topic. Alexd nicknamed person is so close to my issue and
    what im tryin' to say
     
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  17. Sparky
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    Ok. 8)
     
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    Hey something flashed in my mind. Firmware is also existing on computers if i do not know wrong, in ROM.
    Launching Cisco network devices such as routers, is similar to PC's. Instead they use bootstrap.

    So, should firmware be the answer? i do not think so
     
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    I answered what Alexd had said.
     
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  20. Sparky
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    Maybe :biggrin
     
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