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How to source for your own jobs! be your own recruitment agent!

Discussion in 'Employment & Jobs' started by Alex399, Mar 9, 2010.

  1. Alex399

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    It’s pretty bog standard how most agency’s come about these vacancy’s in the first place, more than likely just like at the agency I work at they go onto a website like yell.com or Thomson local and search for IT Company’s or IT support... you get the idea.

    I found a job posting advertised on the web thanks to a Recruitment Agency I have on my Face book page but it’s through a recruitment agency about 2 of them in fact.

    Now me being inexperienced in this kind of work I myself consider it highly unlikely I will be taken on through an agency for my first position in IT because of the price that comes with me as an employee, the majority of large recruitment agency’s charge around 18% of someone’s annual salary (some small independent recruitment agencies charge around 12%)

    I think you understand what I'm getting at by now, for example today I looked up a technical support agent position local to me on Google as it was advertised first on my face book and I came across this webpage which looked very familiar

    http://www.jobisjob.co.uk/poole/net...engineer/job-offer-pfakcirldmfin7xdxgp6imo3le

    I then went onto Yell.com and searched for "IT Company", a bit of a general search term for IT I know but I gave it a go and you can use your imagination here according to the Job spec you have.

    http://www.yell.com/ucs/UcsSearchAc...edclarifyResults=&bandedclarifyResults=&ssm=0

    I can almost guarantee the vacancy posted by the recruitment agencies is one of those companies listed in the Poole area, that took me a matter of 4 mins to do, can I suggest that anyone else finding a local job to themselves do the same.

    Your then able to go to the employer direct without a huge price tag on your head, in almost all cases costing the end employer a minimum of a month’s wage to you as an employee, if your annual salary expectations is a considerable amount more than £16-£20k then it’s all the more worthwhile for you to give it a try for 5 or 20 mins.

    I haven't rung up the companies myself as it's certainly not an entry level job for someone like me :eek: but I was interested to see what kind of results Business Directories give for IT companies and it appears to be a good result.
    Ring up Companies you find in your local area on purely a speculative basis and I promise you will feel a lot better for it even should you not be successful in finding a position, by doing a quick call around you have therefore eliminated several possibilities of finding a position in your area, would you feel slightly more satisfied that you aren't missing out on any local jobs going in your area? I would certainly think so

    I am aware most of them will be Self employed IT Technicians contracting out to companies or residential homes perhaps but the results at the top of the page are larger companies most likely employing IT Support Personnel.

    I hope people find this of some use to them and good luck job hunting! :D
     
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  2. Alex399

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    Does no one find this information useful? :cry:

    I like to think that people read it then try it and don't need to respond or this idea sucks? :(

    I thought it was a very valid point for people to know who didn't know of this, perhaps that being
    the main point that lots of people know of this but that really surprises me if that is so

    *Bump* :D
     
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  3. millsie

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    I find it useful!

    I'm definately considering something along these lines as I think the direct approach, using IT recruitment companies or websites doesnt work for entry level openings as so many people are going to see these jobs and apply for them.

    I also would rather look locally as everytime I have seen an entry level job advertised in London, there is 1000 people applying, and thats no word of a lie!

    I do see jobs from time to time in my local area and I might look into seeing if I can do as you suggest and approach them directly (if I can find them)! There must be other ways of getting a start in this business without using CW jobs/total/monster/reed etc. where everyone and their mother wants to get a job in IT and use them!


    Thanks for this stuff buddy
     
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  4. Fergal1982

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    Personally, I think this is a sneaky, underhanded thing to do. And certainly not one that should be applauded.

    You want to avoid agencies and approach the employers direct, thats fine. But dont use the agencies to find you that work in the first place. Grow some morals. Either find the jobs yourself, or apply through the agency you saw it at.

    This post and this tell me all manner of things about you, and none of them are good im afraid.
     
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  5. westernkings

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    Are you basically saying go through the yellow pages and call up IT companies? and look at jobs that agencies are offering, and then call up the actual employer directly?

    It's not that it's no use, it is just that it is, well, fairly basic stuff that everyone should know. :D

    I think it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. We know what most agencies are like and that is not very good, so why not contact the employer directly and see what happens. It's a dog eat dog world.
     
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  6. Alex399

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    I laughed out loud at work shall I add, your entitled to your opinion of me and I can see why you would say that about me.
    I would just like to say that Agencies tend to have a more significant purpose perhaps when they are recruiting for very specialist roles with the higher starting salarys.

    For 1st line/2nd line support roles that have applications flooding in its a simple equasion of weighing up the cost of advertising the Job role on the internet and the Job centre (ohhh wait hold on the Job centre is free :rolleyes: for employers to advertise at and its a popular place for all types of professionals online)

    Weigh that up Fergal against an Agency charging an employer a fee of say £3000 for taking on a 1/2 line support technician who is on £20,000 per annum, it doesn't really balance out does it....?
    As a rough guess it could cost the employer anywhere between £200-£600 adding up working hours and costs of advertising it on multiple Job boards.

    Agencys get slated on here on regular occasions and perhaps most of them should, since when has anyone been standing up for them, do me a favour Fergal and spare yourself the emotion you might feel for the recruitment agents as its a cruel world out there no matter which way you look at it so get used to it.

    Spare me a sympathy vote as well as I'm very sure what Ive mentioned has happened to me on a regular basis aswell in the engineering trade, Ive seen a post on here saying that Recruitment Agents would seel there own Grandma.

    I can't change your opinion Fergal but I would like to let you know that I'm deeply offended when I get a reply like that when I'm just trying to help people, take a couple of steps back mate and think outside the box then maybe you can see how and why this works and for the second time I should metion its a Cruel World. I have nothing against you mate but obviously isn't going to work Vice Versa, I feel alot less inclined to post regardless of the contents when you say those kind of things.

    As for that Vacancy I mentioned in that post in turns out that there never was a vacancy when I asked them, it was Recruitment Agency going CV fishing... giving people false hope on a vacancy that doesn't actually exists.

    Yeh Fergal where have my morals gone I'm a recruitment Agent and I..... oh wait Ive never done this before so I guess I have slightly more morals than other recruitment agents using this method.

    As for that vacancy I got very excited for what...? for absolutley nothing thats what.

    I don't wan't to sound like I'm trying to get a sympathy vote just thought I would explain the way it is to Fergal

    It makes me happy to see that some people be it any number of people appreciate my post...
     
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  7. Alex399

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    All that aside at least someone appreciates how I'm trying to help people here, Your Welcome Millsie :D
     
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  8. Asterix

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    Respect for spending a lot of time on the post, although its pretty random, Pointless and obvious and i cant help thinking that you would be better off spending this time looking for employment! :oops:
     
  9. Alex399

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    This is the "Employment & Jobs" sub forum right? Oh ok well nuff said then

    Obvious in how you do it yes, I personally think people fail to realise how productive it can be

    I spent about 5-10 mins writing that post..., I also havent got my Comptia A+ yet so I wouldn't plan on even looking for an IT position but I guess you were assuming that I was looking for an IT Job weren't you,
    terrible habbit if you ask me to assume such random things like that :rolleyes:

    Think before you post please Bird
     
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  10. beaumontdvd

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    Thanks for the long write up mate :biggrin

    Dave
     
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  11. Rob1234

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    Why have a pop at someone for making a post it will be helpdul and relevant to some people, makes a change from most of the spam on the forums.
     
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  12. millsie

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    precisely my thoughts! theres no need for the negativity
     
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  13. Fergal1982

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    You are suggesting that the best solution is to ignore a post that is morally ambiguous (at best)? Rather than speak out against what I perceive to be an unethical practice?
     
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  14. wizard

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    On the other hand, why do you think these companies are going through an agency in the first place?

    They don't have to pay you holiday pay, they don't have to worry about PAYE. Even though there is now legislation in place to protect temporary workers it is far easier for the company to end the contract with the agency.

    Sure they pay a premium to bring you in via an agency, but some of the upsides I've listed above.
     
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  15. westernkings

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    You didn't just pass comment on his post though, you passed comment on him as a person fergal.

    I think he is more talking about agencies advertising permanent positions rather than temping. Although it is indeed a very valid point from a temp position point of view.
     
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  16. j1mgg

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    Alot of companies like to use agencies as it means they dont have to worry about all the hassle of going through cvs phoning people up and doing the interviews and if the person leaves after x3 months, then it is up to the agency to do all the advertising again and get a new employee or they wont get paid.

    I do applaud your iniative in this and it could be very helpful to alot of guys but I thought it was common knowledge to send out your cvs to large companies in your area when looking for a job and you are just taing it one step further.

    As for agencies they are only looking after themselves and you even see them ripping each other off by posting other agencies job and then trying to get a cut by offering them candidates for the job.

    Every little bit of info helps in this climate.
     
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  17. BosonMichael
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    I once sent a resume to an employment agency in response to a job posting regarding a technical content developer position writing IT practice exams.

    ...okay... most of you know how the story turns out in the end... 8)

    I got a response back from the agency stating that the employer was looking for someone with more English writing experience. :blink So I did a little research and discovered that there was an IT practice exam company in Nashville - at the time, it was the headquarters of Transcender. So I found out the name of the HR manager and I submitted my resume directly to her. They brought me in for an interview and... the rest is history. But I'd have never gotten the job in the first place had I relied solely on that agency.

    That said, I did apply through the agency before doing an end run around them. Not my fault that they turned down a great candidate! :thumbleft
     
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