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Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by oush, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. oush

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    Hi everyone :)

    Hope you're all well. I've just got a couple of questions regarding VPN's. I'm wandering how much would you guys be willing to pay for a VPN connection. I'm talking about not overloaded servers and overselling a proper setup!! Quality bandwidth, good latency.

    1. £4.99
    2. £5.99
    3. £6.99
    4. £7.99
    5. £8.99

    per month. There is no limit on the bandwidth but a fair usage policy of around 200GB - 300GB a month would be applied, obviously additional bandwidth can be purchased. No point in advertising it as unlimited bandwidth as everyone knows that unlimited bandwidth actually means overselling and overloading!!!

    This would be a OpenVPN AS connection :) users would have their own control panel etc :)

    Most VPN providers charge $10-$15 per month but for openvpn some do go upto $25.00

    I was thinking of £6.99 would sound fairly reasonable and would be discounted if paid every 6 months or annually. Any advice?
     
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  2. Shinigami

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    I just wonder, who would cap 200-300GB a month over VPN of all things?
     
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  3. nugget
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    Not sure what you're getting at but I pay nothing for my VPN at the moment.
     
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  4. dazza786

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    A VPN to what? :blink
     
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  5. SimonD

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    I am guessing it's a secure VPN to something like a shell account, essentially providing an anonymous platform to surf the internet from, you would connect to the destination and be able to do what you wanted to but if they reverse pathed you they wouldn't actually end up at 'YOU' but at the shell account you are connected to.

    I guess it does have commercial use but really the only thing I can think of off the top of my head is torrents but of course that's not saying what it would be used for.
     
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  6. oush

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    That's exactly what it is!!
     
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  7. oush

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    Well some providers cap at 30GB!! and charge £8!!
     
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  8. dazza786

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    If that's the case; what's the connection and what is my protection from you to hide me from the internets?
    ie, if somebody asks 'you need to tell me what IP visited my site at X time, otherwise I will start a legal case with you for being responsible for the data connections coming out of your device.'
    what would you do? :biggrin
     
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  9. Shinigami

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    So basically trying to create a proxy then? But tunnelled?
     
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  10. oush

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    With OpenVPN even the administrators cannot tell what site they have been browsing :) we can only tell that you have logged in and what DHCP ip has been assigned to you :) thats it. The datacenter network providers will see what IP has been doing what but then they would have to come to us to find out which IP was assigned to what user. So they can start all the legal cases they want we dont have that information. They would have to go to the several datacenters across the globe where our servers are hosted :) Should be a fun game for them. Server are being hosted in the UK / US/ NL / Germany and we wont be keeping more then 2 servers in the same DC.
     
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  11. oush

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    Yep very similar but with encryption.
     
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  12. ericrollo

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    Is they even a market for this?

    Let alone the legal problems you may encounter.
     
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  13. BosonMichael
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    I think you'd be setting yourself for a world of hurt.
     
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  14. Shinigami

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    I'd say you need to reconsider this... In my humble opinion, you're not selling the idea as professionally as I think you should, if this was a proper business proposal you're looking to invest in and bring out.

    Your number of servers doesn't seem very high, and that's my first issue. You're proposing massive bandwidth usage, but also with encryption. Existing proxy solutions are often very slow, and sounds like this would be even slower. Unless the lines were truly fast, no one would cap 300gigs in a month.

    Second, with the encryption comes the head aches of processing power, and more expensive servers cost more as well. So if you were to provide connectivity to say 100 concurrent connections, all encrypted, with a high bandwidth, you'd need some hefty CPU's to keep that pipe flowing. If you were to charge only 10 bucks per person per month, I don't see massive returns in investment. You really would have to hope that nobody stays connected longer than say an hour, to be able to get back enough cash from the several thousand people that might buy into it.

    Which brings us to the legality of it all. This first of all would not be authorized in some countries, and you could lead yourself to child pornography issues and the like due to the ease at which someone may want to (ab)use this service. You would need to tread very carefully...

    And finally, with new technologies such as directaccess being used more and more, the only real use for this 'vpn' solution, would be for the more criminally inclined to by-pass processes by using it as a proxy service (although, proxies are also used by the free press connecting in from places such as China).

    Just my two cents, and there's quite a bit more I could say about it.

    But good luck if you wish to go with it.
     
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  15. oush

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    guys i'm not quite sure if you understand what I would like to do:

    something like www.strongvpn.com - www.getvpn.com there are quite a few providers out there doing this. But im targeting a specific market which is the gambling market. Also the OpenVPN is not CPU hungry nor ram hungry at all. You dont put more then 30 clients on one server either. A dual core with 2gb of ram can run OpenVPN with 30 clients without an issue.

    Not quite sure what you mean by legal issues... someone commits a crime... authorities request log files... i hand over what I have... nothing else I can do.
     
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  16. westernkings

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    I think you are wasting your time. Save the money and effort and just get a job until you have thought of an idea that hasn't been done 2000 times before.
     
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  17. Shinigami

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    Gambling? Well, I guess the kind of people who would use this service, would do so because gambling is forbidden in their country and this would let them do so via your service, which btw would be illegal for them to do so as they're committing a felony by bypassing the authorities on the laws which have been erected in their country.

    But 30 people per server? Hmm... a gambler may easily spend hours and hours connected to the web, playing away. Therefore, you may have just 100 users a month, using your server. That's £500 a month in revenue, of which quite a bit will go back to paying certificates (for the encryption), Datacenter leasing costs, server leasing costs, bandwidth costs, etc... Would need to be branded out a fair bit to make money off this, but then again, there's a fair number of gamblers out there.

    Just be aware that providing this service to some countries may be illegal if it allows end-users to bypass laws...

    Just my two cents. Good luck.
     
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  18. oush

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    I do have a job :) this is just a smal project im working on.
     
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  19. oush

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    Again dedicated server costs are not much at all as we have our own servers so we just pay the co-lo fee. The OpenVPN Licences are a one of payment of $5.00 per user. We already have 200 licences. providing VPN services is not illegal in any country, but what the end user uses it for is at their own discretion.


    Also another thing would be all the brits abroad who cannot access BBC Iplayer, 4OD etc :) allocate them a UK IP via VPN.

    I'll let you guys know how it goes in a few months time.
     
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  20. westernkings

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    I really do think it's a waste of time. The market for brits abroad wanting to watch Iplayer and willing to pay a tenner a month is minute. What is the purpose of it? as in, why do you want to put this together? for money? for a laugh?

    What are you going to offer than the 100s of other people don't? it's just not going to happen.
     
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2010
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