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How can we help someone who wont help themselves

Discussion in 'The Lounge - Off Topic' started by greenbrucelee, Oct 7, 2007.

  1. greenbrucelee
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    Just as the title says.

    I think you will know who I'm talking about.


    If someone is persistent in doing advanced networking that is above his skill levels then what can we do?

    Do you think someone has told him he is better than he is?

    Or is he thinking he is better than he is?

    I don't pretend to know everything and I am of the opinion that if you want to learn something even if you know a bit about the subject you should always start with the basics.

    I can set up a small network of PCs and get them all working together and sharing data etc but I don't know enough for trouble shooting purposes thats why after my A+ I will do the N+ but should everyone do at least the N+ before doing any networking certs like Cisco certs?

    I don't want to put anyone down (thats why I haven't named names) but its getting hard to advise the guy.

    I like helping people but its hard when they don't take your advice and then take offence when you suggest they should step back a little.

    Am I being harsh?
     
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  2. Mitzs
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    Do not waste your time anymore green. I am moving on too. He even conderdicts himself. He tells you in one thread when he has an understanding he will help others. Yet in another thread he tells trips he does have basic networking skills. I'm not wasting anymore time or energy on someone like this. I have better things to do like learning dreamweaver. :D
     
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  3. greenbrucelee
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    It just frustrates me that he cannot grasp the fact that he does not know what he thinks he does.

    If someone came to me and said I have this advice for you which will help you succeed in the topic your interested in then I would take the advice.

    Is it arrogance on his part?

    Is it a language thing?

    Or has he been told he is better than he is? A bit like those dumb people who go on X factor and American Idol
     
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  4. Mathematix

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    Do you guys realise that this person is playing with you? Always the same people answering their questions trying to get them to understand?

    Try backing off and they'll get bored and leave. I'm sure that they're not taking you seriously.
     
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    I don't think he is playing I think he is serious.
     
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    So the misleading titles and posting strange content is being serious?! :blink
     
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    I think he is actually trying to get people to do his homework for him. But that is just my opinion. :(
     
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    I think he is just very confused and well above his station, and probably doesn't understand what he is asking thats why the post look crap.
     
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    IMHO this is mostly because English is a second language.

    *You* try and post consise and good grammer/spelling in a foreign language! :biggrin

    Harry.
     
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  10. greenbrucelee
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    I understand what you mean Harry, and I could well fogive him for struggling with English. I could do basic French and maybe a bit of German, but I think he understands ok, its just that his questions are more advanced than his knowledge.
     
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    I tend to agree with Harry on this.

    Lets give him/her the benefit of the doubt please.
     
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  12. ffreeloader

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    Well, how do you give someone the benefit of the doubt when they are told time after time not to post copyrighted material, and yet they just keep on doing it? That poster has been told at least a dozen times not to post copyrighted material, and yet still posts it on a regular basis. Just how many chances would you give me if I regularly broke the code of conduct rules around here?

    I think our copyright laws take away a lot of what should be fair use so I disagree a lot with the laws as they are written, but still don't want to see CF have legal problems over this issue.
     
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    Not necessarily (though I'd certainly recommend the Network+ before the CCNA). However, everyone should get experience before pursuing Cisco certifications... and this instance demonstrates specifically why I recommend that.
     
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    Freddy, i read this thread and responded prior to reading the others regarding posting of copyrighted stuff. That issue is being delt with behind the scenes, so i dont think it is necessary to bring it to the fore here.

    Anyway, names or no names this thread is bordering on being or possibly becoming a personal attack, and that is why i am trying to dowse the flames a bit.
     
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    Agreed. Let's take a moment to "cool our jets" and put the matter into perspective.
     
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    Well, I guess it's time for me to scale back my participation here. When asking a question about public behavior--behavior that would certainly be cause for me to get banned if I insisted on indulging in that behavior--is construed as a personal attack on the person participating in that behavior, well, it's sort of time to take a break and do other things for a while, as there is most certainly no justice in this.....
     
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    Freddy, they are giving him the benafit of doubt, because he does not grasp english all that well. He may not understand things as we do. I can understand that. As blue said they are dealing with this behind the curtain. It is being delt with. That is all that matters.
     
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  18. Bluerinse
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    I didn't imply that your contribution was a personal attack, please don't take offence when it is not warranted. My opinion is that the thread title, and the fact that no names are mentioned, is irrlevant, as the identity of the unnamed person, is crystal clear to anyone that freqents this forum.
     
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    If he/she doesn't understand in english then why not reply in his/her lan such as translating the text their must be lots of translations software and atleast he/she might appreciate the effort.
     
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    Trip and Bluerinse,

    How long do we have to give this person the benefit of the doubt? We have been doing that for a long time. There are plenty of other people joined here who's first language isn't english and can understand us perfectly well and actually take on board what we are saying and don't take offence because we tell them they shouldn't be doing something.

    I'm all for helping people, but one of my hobbies isn't headbutting brick walls.

    It's a great philsophy that we can all be fluffy bunny nice to everyone, I've tried but in some certain circumstances no matter how hard you try you just end up having to give up and walk away.
     
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