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HigherScope UK

Discussion in 'New Members Introduction' started by oneway1, Apr 15, 2013.

  1. oneway1

    oneway1 New Member

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    Hello all. Has anyone tried out that training programme job placement with HigherScope where you train and then they help you get into a position?
     
  2. SimonV

    SimonV Petabyte Poster Administrator

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    Never heard of the company but there are plenty of similar threads about similar companies in the forums. Are you wanting to know if they are a company to be trusted or is it their methods that are in question?
     
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  3. Rockerfella

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    Heard of them ye

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    Actually mate, this may have been the agency my relative went with - im not 100% sure - name rings a bell thow. Ill be seeing him next week so ill let you know.
     
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  4. oneway1

    oneway1 New Member

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    Hi, cheers for the reply.
    Managed to find some good feedback on placements with this company so am thinking of going with them. Rockerfella let me know if you find anymore out dude. . :)
     
  5. ade1982

    ade1982 Megabyte Poster Forum Leader

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    I would probably suggest reading the various threads on training programmes which promise jobs at the end of it before you go and do anything with it.
     
  6. Rockerfella

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    Hi mate, sorry for the delayed response.. ok managed to speak to my relative and it was this agency that he used - I knew id heard of the name lol
    He stated that there really good agency to go threw as once he did the training threw them they were the ones who got him into the company his at now. . but this was in IT support so not sure if this is what you want ? Im even thinking of contacting them too as its the same field im looking at. His told me your welcome to contact him via email if you want, so Ive Pmed you his email. Hope it helps.
     
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  7. Coupe2T

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    Anyone else thinking this looks real fishy? 2 people who joined the forum on the same date and both with very low post counts and talking up a training company/job agency?

    Seems a bit suss to me!

    Especially the way it's all written etc.

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    A quick search on the web seems to show this 'Company' only appeared on Facebook and Twitter on the 2nd April. Also no web site comes up in a google search of Higherscope, only the Twitter and FB accounts.

    Twitter lists a website yet I am unable to get on there, even though the domain has been registered since June 2012.

    Doesn't add up for me! Think these are shills trying to big up a company which will probably end up being or becoming another Phoenix company.

    Could be wrong, but doesn't sound right to me.
     
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  8. dmarsh

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    Corrected! :D

    Its still awful english but at least its slightly less offensive.

    Helps to be literate to be in IT, also helps your credibility.
     
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  9. Rockerfella

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    Guys i hope this isnt aimed at me??? i only answered the question lol - i thought thats what this post was for?
    n just so you know, the reason why it had "edited" on my post was due to me accidently pasting my cv into the post as was applying for jobs at the same time - im sure people wouldnt wana read that lol
     
  10. Coupe2T

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    It is what posts are for, just seems fishy that 2 people join the forum on the same day, one of whom's family member used this agency to get trained and recruited and yet this same company only appear to have gained a web presence a few days before you both joined.

    Very odd for an IT training and recruitment company to seemingly have no web presence etc.

    As said, could be legit, just seems very fishy, as I'm sure you can appreciate. :)
     
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  11. Quick_Edit

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    Hi Guys,

    Just signed up as I was approached by this company, and Internet research has turned up very little on them (which on reading over the relative youth of the company here comes as no real surprise to me). Although the phone call itself was a little out of the blue.

    As I've applied for a lot of jobs of late I didn't think too much of it at the time (other than that there was something really off about the whole conversation and I should really look into this one a bit further). It wasn't later until I received my interview confirmation it dawned on me what was wrong with this whole picture. These are people that I've not actually applied to. So, I figure, hey it's a cold call. An annoyance but not illegal (although the guy on the phone was definitely misleading, stating that he was calling me regarding a job that I had applied for). That's pretty typical of sales agents though, with the only measure between a skilled and unskilled one being how well they slip stuff like that under the radar.

    Long story short, they likely pulled my CV off of CV Library (where it's open to recruiters) and thought I might be worth a shot. Are they to be trusted? Probably not. I can't say for certain but upon looking over the address they've given for the interview, I am pretty sure that there was a company by another name offering identical services in very close proximity to it only a few months ago. As Coupe2T puts it, I find that very fishy.

    So whilst I can not categorically state that you'll get stung if you run with these guys, past experience of similar set-ups would lead me to recommend you steer well clear of them and any other company that offers any of the following to you during the "interview":

    - A job if you sign up to a training course (that they conveniently provide) that they want you to pay for there and then (either outright or via a third-party credit agreement). Don't let them use your position as a job seeker as leverage.

    - A discount on said course costs if you sign today. This is a well established sales technique as old as the hills that works on the fear of loss. If they even pull this out of their bag of tricks you should run for the hills.

    I know most people that read those points are probably thinking, "yeah, that's common sense" and, "that it pretty much goes without saying" but, I figured that I may as well tag them on the back end of this post as these guys target people when they're at their most vulnerable (out of work, looking for a break etc), by playing on their hopes and aspirations. I think that's pretty damn low, and frankly reprehensible.. Yet they're still in business. Why? Because some people make poor choices when they're desperate (whilst others just make poor choices because it's a day ending with Y). Now, I know not everyone out there is a scammer, but if someone makes you an offer like this, I'd strongly suggest you think twice.

    Remember, you go to work to make money, not spend your money.
     
  12. ravspro

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    Hello My name is Rav Bangar, I'm currently working as Business Development Manager at Medical Supermarket, my role involves Managing over 1500 healthcare companies, helping save time and money through all their products and services and any other solutions we can provide.

    If anybody is sceptical about my user details, please free to browse my profile on linked in (web link attached)
    where you will be able too see how long I have been a member and all my genuine employment information is on display.

    My connections include, purchasing and contract managers, internal account managers, and operation directors and I have strong corporate background and have worked with many recruitment companies including Higher Scope so would say I am fairly experienced to provide a comment.

    For those of you who may be wondering why I have come on here as I am not working in the IT industry, it is due to my experience with Higher Scope as they have supported me with some IT solutions with a client of ours Nomura.

    In my opinion nobody should pay for CRB Checks, Forklift licences, HGV licences, accountants shouldn't pay for there AC CA licences, cam bridge and ox ford university should be free, you can apply for a position as a surgeon, then training is on the job for free as you go to work to make money... hold on a minute...that somehow doesn't sound right ?

    The reality is your cv needs to be attractive, with some sort of qualifications on your if your looking for a career in any sector, if you disagree, then you
    should continue to apply for low level roles and not complain about your wages, career progression, or lack of stability.

    I agree that there are some sham organisations out there, however that shouldn't stop people from attending interviews or adding further qualifications, no wonder all the I.T is being outsourced to India -the guys are totally qualified from microsoft to cisco from by age of 20!

    With Aston Martin –There minimum criteria is you have some sort of higher education, ''quick edits'' would probably slate their candidate selection process as well, and expect them to pay you for university since quick edits comment says''Remember, you go to work to make money, not spend your money'' reality is Its tough out there, and its competitive, and only the best are selected.

    Higher Scope – Highly recommended from a professional business standpoint.
     
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  13. oneway1

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    By the way I was put forward for a position for Greenfield capital, started on 16k 2nd week in. They are genuine - just need to look into this VMWARE stuff anyone know much about it ?

    I've heard hardware is gunna be obsolete and cloud is the future ? not too sure about the route.

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    VMWARE IS D FUTURE. NEED TO BUILD REP POWER - :eek:

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    Higher Scope = Me + 16k as IT support position at Greenfield Capital loan company - cool org.
     
  14. Quick_Edit

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    Are you familiar with the phrase, "Reductio ad absurdum"?

    What we are talking about here is not an established educational facility such as cam bridge or ox ford university (or as it should be Cambridge or Oxford University). We are talking about a bunch of sales people approaching people to sell them training that they don't really need (that they likely contract through a third party, so don't actually provide) with the lure of employment after the fact. However, given the volume of interviewees that they turn over for the same role, selling (or at least trying to) the same training to them all, there can't possibly be enough jobs to go around. So some people are going to come in with high hopes, pay their money, receive their training and, find that the position goes to someone else who is better suited to it..

    Which is what it comes down to. If you're the better person for the role, you'll get it regardless of what passing interest qualifications you bolster your CV with.

    Further I would point out that this is exactly how I got my last job in the IT circa. I went in on day one as a Service Desk Analyst on day one with no qualifications relevant to the job, and within half-an-hour I had been promoted to a senior department, where I remained for 3 years! When training or qualifications were required, they were provided, with the expense being met by my employer.

    That Rav, is reality. It really happened, and despite your ill conceived opinions, other employers do it too. Further more CRB checks are also often met by the employer, there are many free training providers offering courses and testing to gain Forklift Truck Licenses, not that the latter is strictly relevant to anyone working in IT.

    Lastly I note that you have offered forth your credentials, yet not actually provided them. I for one would like to see them, as you are the third person to join this forum that has tried to create a positive buzz about HigherScope, which is suspicious to say the least. This is a company with little to no web presence, yet everyone that finds this thread has had a good personal experience with them. If that were the case, shouldn't there be more glowing reviews online? It's also interesting to note that it seems only in response to my post that they might be disingenuous that they've suddenly found someone a job, and have prominent connection in other companies. Not bad for a company that didn't start networking till April.

    Oh, and it's Quick_Edit.
     
  15. ravspro

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    First of all Quick edit - Yes I've heard of the phrase, and one thing I'd like make quite clear, is there no argument it was professional opinion on actual business to business experience, as a technical person I'm assuming you spend most of your time fixing computing issues, so you may not have much corporate or client experience under your belt to judge an organisation - that's all I was saying - and based on what you've written It sounds as though you've not even attended an interview there. So in a Nutshell I have experience, you do not. comprende ?

    A little education if I may, first of all in the business world large companies will sometimes buy 'existing' business's due to there client and account base or as we call it there black books. Are you aware how many companies out there have little web presence but as they are so specific in there sector, they can turnover in excess of 22 Million ?

    There's companies out there you've probably never heard of for example Cheung Kong (Holdings) Limited, or have you heard of Li Ka-shing ? why would you ? his only worth about 30 Billion. Have ever heard of a company called statoil ? probably not.

    Well my point is very simple, if you my friend assume that only companies with web presence are of value, or companies that have been around for decades are stable then seriously I would suggest you make friends with some accountants, and start reading the financial times ! Companies like Leaman Brothers can close down ! I worked with an organisation which was setup in 1984, they then added a dotcom and it was shown as registered from 1992.


    People like you lose opportunities due to your assumptions, and in the box thinking, - As for my credentials - Google my name, Ravinder Bangar and you can view my linked in profile. Unfortunately cert forums would not allow me to paste the link.

    And if you think the organisation is a young company I suggest you order (which you have to pay for) the last 5 years accounts - and find out who the parent company is, I also hope that you attend the interview, I even hope you get the job - and would like you to return and give your feedback !!
     
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    Comprende? A little education? Really?

    Still, setting aside the exception I take to your condescension I am a little mystified by some of the assumptions that you have made.

    "I'm assuming you spend most of your time fixing computing issues": Actually, I don't. I have a proven track history within the IT sector but, I can turn my hand to pretty much any job that I'm presented with. Also of late I have found growing numbers of people approaching me for both advice in their work and personal lives, so I consider myself to be quite diverse. I can help you bring your business ideas into a coherent plan, I can help you overcome personal obstacles. So by no means am I a guy who spends most of his time fixing computers. I'm an all rounder. A very capable one at that.

    Well my point is very simple, if you my friend assume that only companies with web presence are of value, or companies that have been around for decades are stable then seriously I would suggest you make friends with some accountants, and start reading the financial times: Maybe you misunderstood the point that I was making but, at no point have I stated that only companies with a web presence are of value. I do however expect that a company that specialises in the IT sector to have a greater web presence, or at the very least some SEO to make them easier locate for perspective clients and customers alike.

    Companies like Leaman Brothers can close down: I'm not going to contest you on this, but you do raise an interesting point. I get the overall impression that you believe that I am naive when it comes to business and, business practices. Would it then surprise you if I revealed the fact that I have actually worked side-by-side with a former prominent Leaman Brothers employee on one of their personal enterprises? Not that I feel the need to shout about it.

    Those points aside, upon reading over your credentials I understand your point of view. You come from a sales background, which gives you a certain perspective, and you seem quite successful in your field. I'm not going to even try and debate that point, but I do take exception to your comment "People like you lose opportunities due to your assumptions, and in the box thinking". By this point in my reply, it should be quite clear how much I am not like the person (or "People") you presumed me to be. I don't lose opportunities, I make them. For myself and others.

    So, if I had to wrap up this post with only one sentence, it would be "Without the facts, all assumptions are moot".
     
  17. ravspro

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    Well Quick edit, I understand your point of view and I'm sure you'll find all the success you deserve. I'm only giving my opinions based on a Computing Conference I attended on the commercial market from Specialist Computer Holdings.

    They've basically said in a nutshell said there is a severe shortage of skilled people in IT - and that some IT guys are so stubborn in there old ways they are not willing to adapt or educate themselves to the latest technology trends, and in the commercial and corporate sector IT managers need the reassurance that people are able to do there jobs to an industry standard, I'm sure there's plenty of people that call themselves network engineers just because they are able to network there laptops and pc to the home wireless router !

    I have to make sure my network of companies are all able to support each other in any way possible, which make me good at my job.

    Overall my experience with dealing with Higher Scope recruitment on a business level was good, I however was dealing with one of the guys based down south, that is all I was saying.
     

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