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Hi All from ARM

Discussion in 'New Members Introduction' started by ARM Sam, Jan 25, 2011.

  1. ARM Sam

    ARM Sam Bit Poster

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    Hi all,

    New to the forum here, I can offer advice and guidance with regards to technical recruitment and the UK tech jobs market.

    Look forward to joining in the community. 8)
     
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  2. zet

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    Hi Sam and welcome! Ha, strange enough someone asked me just the other day if I had gone through your recruitment agency to get my first job. I don't suppose you browse a site called reddit? :p
     
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  3. ARM Sam

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    Hi Zet,

    I am a user of Reddit, however only for personal use rather than company 8),

    In reference to your message i'd be interested to know if you did manage to secure your job through us?
     
  4. zet

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    Ha! I'm not sure if it was you but does your username begin with 'Kal'. Unfortunately, no it wasn't through you guys, but I'm starting work in whitely, hampshire :P
     
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    Welcome to CF!
     
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  6. BosonMichael
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    Do you? There's a big difference between "joining in the community" and "spamming links to your site". Had I done that upon arrival, I'd have been banned on the spot.
     
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  7. JonnyMX

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    Oh great, a recruitment consultant...

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Be afraid....be very afraid..
     
  9. billyr

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    More neck than a heard of E.Ts.
     
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  10. ARM Sam

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    Hi all, i appreciate the rules of the forums and will abide to them, i know what its like to have users come into a community you are passionate about and spam it for personal benefit (I've requested to remove this post in jobs section).

    Within the IT jobs section of this forum, looking at the posts there's some great advice that could be offered to users seeking it, which genuinely would be sound advice from a IT job seeker point of view. Perhaps this would be appreciated from a personal rather than professional account.

    Cheers,
     
  11. ARM Sam

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    No not me. Congrats on the job though. :thumbleft
     
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    Sam, i have removed the thread you linked to above and removed your advertising and site links as they are against our forum rules. I would urge you to keep any posts from a personal perspective only and desist in your efforts to promote your company here.
     
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  13. JonnyMX

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    Sorry, what does that mean?
    It isn't even English. :blink
     
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  14. AlexHalliday

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    Sam,

    I think that if you are able to offer a neutral and unbiased opinion on things then that is great, would be a brilliant insight into "that side" of the job market.

    Unfortunately, so far every post has had that "nudge" towards ARM which screams INFOMERCIAL to me lol.
     
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  15. drum_dude

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    Is it me, or has anyone noticed lately the blatent fishing from recruiters in their email inbox? The amount of spam I'm getting that starts with "I hope you're well" from well known recruiters telling me that they are recruiting for IBM or Crap Gemini (and others including RBS and Lloyds HBOS) is just shocking! They'll only consider me if I tell them who I'm currently working for, my boss's name and how much I earn?

    Not a pop at Sam, but it does tell me that the IT Recruitment market is DEAD!
     
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  16. ARM Sam

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    I will refrain from the temptation to promote the company I work for, and give an unbiased view from this side of the recruitment cycle.

    There is a lot recruiters need to learn from IT job seekers as to your expectations of service from a recruiter. On the flip side there's real value that recruiters can offer job seekers when providing a professional service.

    A forum such as yours provides an excellent place for direct feedback helping to manage expectations from both parties.
     
  17. SimonD

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    On that note, I think one of the greatest things that the recruitment guys\girls need to learn about is that if the client is asking for the wrong thing (certification\experience wise) then they really need to educate the client to why they aren’t achieving their recruitment goals (they don't need an MCSE for 1st line support roles or are refusing to pay the going rate for particular skills (I saw a role recently asking for excellent SCCM skills but were looking at only paying up to £220 pd)), if the client is guilty of these then the agent really needs to put them right on this.

    With that in mind agencies need to understand fully the different levels of certification and experience, know what’s required for specific job roles and what experience\certifications the client\candidate should have at those roles.

    Unfortunately I am seeing more and more agents not bothering to do their jobs right, you guys have to remember that you actually have to work with both the client and the candidate because if you lose either of them you lose money.

    Speaking as a long term contractor I find that agencies are a necessary evil that really don’t care about the candidate and more often than not will always side with the client whether they are right or wrong. What agencies in this country are doing wrong is that they aren’t sticking with their candidate, why not? This person has the potential to make them lots of money through their career and it’s my opinion that until such time that the agencies actually want to represent the candidate rather than the client that we will always just have shoddy recruitment practices.
     
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  18. JonnyMX

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    Tell me about it.

    It does also make me wonder why 50% of the jobs you see advertised are for recruitment consultants given that there are so few jobs that need recruiting for. With applicants tripping over themselves every time a vacancy comes up for a part-time tea lady (sorry, person) it seems that there is little for them to do other than spam people.

    I guess it's a high turnover position where if you don't make your target one week, you're out the next. And the bosses never stop to consider why they never recognise anyone in the office any more.
     
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  19. ARM Sam

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    Those are two very interesting posts, although covering two different matters.

    @Simon I would very much agree with your view point. By listening to your feedback (by 'you' I am referring to the IT job seeking community as a whole) it's possible to see where improvements can be made. The difficulty arises with educating consultants on the vast array of technical terms and requirements available, a recent change in structure here has placed focus on training consultants in a specialist areas and to understand that area fully (as opposed to covering many sectors and only acquiring a basic level of knowledge within that sector/industry). This should help a recruitment consultant to really understand his/her market fully, and allow them to get a better understanding of candidates needs within that market through daily communication with similar candidates.

    From a recruiters point of view there are two big positives with this structure. One, better understanding of a clients needs and requirements (therefore able to match a candidate to more suited roles = increased chance of placement). Two, repeated business (with a longer term view for perm candidates). Consultants who create good relationships with candidates are generating a great advantage for themselves and their candidates. However you must appreciate the scale of the cultural change required to achieve this, albeit seemingly common sense.

    @JohnnyMX Unfortunately in such a highly competitive market that recruitment is, there are many cowboy organisations that run a very unprofessional operation tarnishing the reputation for others. The industry is pushing towards charted certification that will allow those organisations who invest in training employees and support services to flourish. Whilst average staff turnover may be high this is not the case for all recruitment consultancies.

    There is a low skills set required to enter recruitment which can lead to high levels of turnover. Some candidates enter recruitment and simply 'get it', whilst others may struggle and recognise they are perhaps not suited to the role.
     
  20. BosonMichael
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    Props, Sam. I just hope you've got thick skin. The perception around here - and sadly, I believe it is quite warranted - is that most (not all) recruiters don't truly understand the IT career field, including the purpose of degrees and certifications. Most recruiters simply believe what they've been fed by clueless HR managers and CIOs and arrogantly do not listen to techs who have actually done the job for years. Not saying you're one of them... but there aren't many IT recruiters who couldn't learn quite a bit from the senior techs on this site if they were simply open minded enough to do so.
     
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