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Did you think the Wii was just for kids, think again

Discussion in 'Gamers Hangout' started by wagnerk, Jun 20, 2007.

  1. wagnerk
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    Hi All,

    Heard about this this morning:

    A Wii (ok and PS2) game was actually banned, see here.

    The game is Manhunt 2 and Rokstar games was producing it for the Playstation and the Wii.

    So if you thought that the Wii was only for kids, think again... I wonder what other games are in the pipeline :)

    -ken
     
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  2. shambles

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    The Beeb reckoned that the main objection was that you use the wii controller to make 'sawing' motions as you cut into someone's head. Apparently the censor board thought that the 'enactment' was a bit too close for comfort...
     
  3. ManicMonkey

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    nice to note though its only 'banned' in the uk.... so if anyone knows of a country (america pos??) that thier game cd's will work over here you can still get it :D
     
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    <rant>
    It's a preposterous notion that continues to thrive in so called 'free' countries
    censorship is an evil evil thing, and should be done only in the most extreme circumstances

    an 18 label on it would of sufficed had the label itself made it difficult to aquire such games, unfortunatly due to the poor parenting leading to most parents not knowing what thier kids are actually playing, and then complaining about the violence in games, we are left with the piss poor alternative, eating away at our ability to make informed decisions ourselves.

    I've played violent games since i was a kid, watched scary movies (and these days very violent movies), been brought up where the news is to the minute, uncensored and pretty darn disturbing, yet I have not struck a person in anger in 12 years, and most gamers are in the same boat

    It's yet another attempt to subdue us into a drone race where we are all at the mercy of the police state which manages us
    </rant off>

    Never really thought much of manhunt anyway, but it wasn't the first, or the last, I actually remember the last game that was effectively banned, Carmageddon back in 97, although they re released it with no real blood, just green goo, a quick hack fixed that though
     
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  5. wagnerk
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    Or swing round to the continent, they use the same region as the UK.

    Funny while the game is banned over here, it's not illegal to have the game.

    -ken
     
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    Yeah totally I remember the first manhunt and carmageddon.

    The only people that are affected by watching gory movies or playing violent games are people who are completly impressionable or have mental problems.

    I have a direct experience of this, The first ever video I rented from my then local video store was Conan the Barbarian I was 6 at the time. I never acted violently because of watching it, I also remember the week after I think I rented Cobra or Commando but it didnt make me kill anyone.

    My mother used to look after a boy who was emotionally disturbed and his dad let him watch halloween and film like what I had watched when I was a kid but unfortunatley this kid is now in a mental institute as he is violent but I am not saying the films he watched are directly to do with his sectioning but they have played a factor.

    His parents were smack heads and would often have porno film on the tv when the kids and the kid would watch.

    What I am saying is if someone is supceptable to acting in a way because they see it then censorship can work not many people are violent because they see it.
     
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  7. shambles

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    I don't disagree about the censorship thing - generally, I also believe that violence in video-games or in films is not going to cause someone to go out with a machete for real. As a principle, I think censorship is probably wrong. But...

    I still find myself feeling uncomfortable around this debate. I don't like 'slasher' movies and don't watch them. I'm not keen on violent games, so I don't buy them or play them. In principle, I don't like porn, but still find myself getting drawn there sometimes (we all have a weakness). I know I have the moral compass to know what is right for me. In theory, it's up to other people what they choose to do for themselves - freedom of the individual and all that. But I'm not completely sure about everyone else...

    Basically, I'm not sure that 'freedom' is something most of us are ready for. I'm not sure that we are all in a position to take responsibility for ourselves. I don't want a police state, but I also don't want a world where the impressionable are impressed by the values of the gangster.

    I'm sure there's an interesting debate to be had here...
     
  8. Shepherdess

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    While I think censorship is not a solution (nothing can stop kids from importing the game or downloading it), violent games and the sites like youtube (where children will do anything do have their 3 minutes of fame) MAY be the reason for the increase in violent behaviour. This would not be the case in an ideal world where all parents would control what their children are doing, what they are playing, etc, but since we don't live in an ideal world...

    And as for Wii: I prefer "games for kids" because I don't have to prove I am an adult by playing GTA anymore ;-)
     
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    The only thing censorship accomplishes is that it boosts the popularity of the product being censored, that's all.

    Infact if I was a developer, I would go out of my way to include content that would be sure to cause controversy, because that way I'd be assured of lots of free advertising. If the game ends up getting banned, so much the better. Such bans never work anyway. It certainy wouldn't stop gamers from buying the game. If anything, it would make them want to buy it even more.

    I'm guessing there's a lot champagne flowing at Rockstar H.Q right now, because they know they're gonna make a killing.
     
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    I'm not so sure (and I'm only putting the other side of the argument because I am not sure)...

    If the only thing censorship (effectively 'banning') achieved was to boost the popularity of a product, then the UK would be awash with firearms and guncrime would be endemic. Instead, we have quite low levels of gun crime as compared with the US of A, where guns are, by and large, legal - this is because our ban on guns works reasonably well. I have to admit though, it hasn't worked especially well with drugs...

    I hope no-one from Rokstar ever gets mugged or has their car jacked from them. They wouldn't get an ounce of sympathy from me.
     
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    Ha ha .. You're having a laugh, mate !

    Let me take you to my former `hood' down Harlesden way. There's lots of guys packing. Drivebies are run of the mill.
     
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  12. shambles

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    I don't want to get into dick-swinging with you, but I suspect the harlesdon hoodies would be crying for their mummies after a week in Compton. In terms of gun-crime, the USA and the UK are not even in the same league!
     
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    I'm absolutely not gonna argue with that. :biggrin
     
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    all that the ban on guns achieved was that the law-abiding citizens who are (generally) unlikely to be committing a gun crime duly handed in their firearms, leaving those who are likely to commit gun crimes waltzing with around illegal guns.

    I have played violent games for years and have not yet gone on a killing spree. In fact, I find that playing violent games actually reduces my rage. I start out all pissed off, blowing the face of anything that moves, imagining it to be whoever has annoyed me today and, after half an hour, im just enjoying the game, the anger has gone altogether (unless i keep dying myself, in which case it becomes redirected at the game/characters itself).

    The media/public always want to place the blame squarely upon music/films/games, but the reality is, the person is mentally unstable and would have latched onto something eventually that would have tipped them over the edge. We live in a culture that doesnt want to accept responsibility for its actions.
     
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    I agree completely. I'm the same way with regards to computer gaming; it relieves my stress rather than increases it. But I'm mentally stable enough to handle games and treat them as what they are: games. Like Fergal says, if someone's unstable enough to be sent over the edge by games, they're unstable enough to be sent over the edge by hard rock music, movies, books, something. We absolutely live in a culture where people blame something other than themselves for their actions.
     
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  16. shambles

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    This is all well and good, people, but the reality may be that there is a surprisingly high percentage of people out there who 'can't handle it'. I work for an inner-city charity helping people with problems around homelessness, mental health and substance-abuse. I've lost count of the number of youngsters I have met who have got confused about who they are, and the situation they are actually in, and 50 Cent and the lifestyle he leads... I can't even pretend I understand it, but there it is.

    All I know for sure is that we are growing a whole generation of kids who believe that dealing drugs, stealing cars, beating people up and maybe capping someone for some slight or another is OK. And I'm worried about it.

    You can complain about people not taking responsibility and the police state as much as you like, but none of that is solving any of the problems. And one day, like it or not, it will be your problem - unless you can afford to live in a gated community where you would be safe precisely because the communities inside them agree to allow more social control than you might see outside them.

    If the culture we allow companies like Rokstar to sell us is responsible in any way (and I'm not saying it is - I don't know), along with all those other influences, then we need to start asking questions. If we don't, we're going to get buried under the weight of the problems caused by the people you describe as 'irresponsible'.

    We need to ask the questions in any case. Arguably, Uncle Sam has the greatest focus on individual freedom of any country in the world, but this hasn't led to the rise of the sort of society most of us (in my opinion) would choose...

    Also - http://www.johnfanzine.com/news/expand.php?id=5&offset=30
     

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